I'd also like to point out that I saw the chat log of a discussion in the BS shoutbox, from yesterday, which demonstrates exactly WHY a thorough restructuring of the staff of the English side is sorely-needed. A horrible miscarriage of justice, all too common on here (and very familiar to me personally) was exacted on another member, and the discussion surrounding it was nothing short of shocking. I am sure someone's going to make a ridiculous fuss about the fact that I even mentioned this at all, but I really don't care.

I happen to agree with the person who was wrongly banned simply for stating an opinion, and making observations, which didn't sit well with one particular moderator and one or two members, and which also drew some cheap flame baiting at her. She was crudely manhandled...and it's hardly the first time that particular moderator has manhandled quite a few members (at different times). And yet, that individual has somehow, inexplicably, held onto his position and avoided responsibility for HIGHLY-questionable decisions.

THIS needs to be addressed. I know how that member feels...I've felt the same beat down occasionally, and I know some others have. And it disgusts me.

I still would like to see some OFFICIAL rule decision regarding the small resurgence of controversial and provocative shippings of CANON characters (and I do mean canon characters only) from the various movies/TV series represented on Animation Source. And I don't mean from some moderator who may or may not have friendships here which would presume a slanted answer. I mean from the webmaster himself, and ONLY from the webmaster himself. I frankly don't care or want to hear from anyone else on the matter. Once HE has delivered a rules decision on this, I'd say it's pretty much final. But since no such rule has been clearly delineated yet (regardless of what anyone might say to the contrary), I'd like to see him post on it. Officially. Until then, I will continue to consider the matter open for opposition.

Kash : is it cause of your character deactivation ? Well, you'll see that you've write less than the minimum 15 lines of description and that the history is really short. I don't know how to say more than that =/ Read the rules with attention should help more. If I deactive something cause the character or image is badly made and I say " your image is not really well made, take care of your coloration " I don't what I can do more ... There is a link on the images rules which explain what's a bad render and there are some tutoriels about them. It's not always to mods to make all the works =/ I know that deactivated a character without any comment about it is not fair, but I don't think mods make wrong deactivation and don't explain enough about it.

Can I make a suggestion to change? Instead of giving copy pasted notices on where our images or characters or what have you is in the fault, can you give us better detailing so we're not left out of the loop here? It'd be nice if you guys threw us a bone so we'd know what exactly needs to be changed instead of "Make their history longer", "They need to be more detailed as to how they fit in the film" or "Image not respecting the rules". It'd be mighty helpful.

Old habits die hard guys XD

For the record I wasn't trying to be cute. I'm so use to calling wolves, wuffs. But yes, it's good to know the images will change eventually. They are helpful despite the distractions they cause.

Oraki :
1. This is why the members can only send 1 image with adoption for 10 images. Then they image section will not be flooded by adoption There were no rules about a limitation before and adoption have been accepted on the site the begin of it. Then, don't worry, normaly there will be less adoptions than before ^-^

2. This is not about the lineart you want to color for making a drawing ^-^ It's if you create a free lineart for the other, you can't use it on the fanart section to color it over and over But technicaly, I don't know a single artist who mades free lineart to color it him self.

The site REALLY needed this! Thank you!
I go away somewhere and things are modified for the better- maybe I should stay in France XD

Thank you! The new rules are good, clear and are correcting some things that should have been sticted long time ago (rule 1 and 2 about respecting other members were broken too many times in the past).
This is exactly what this site needed!

May I add something to this discussion yet? 'Cause I want to add my extra opinion about certain things on new rules...
1. I don't like the idea of putting adoptables in image section. The adoptables can't appear in this site at all, for me. It's the cruelty for the creators of original characters, who are flooded by adoptables, which aren't creative and there are the possible source of sparkle creatures. I may buy some of them in the end, but I won't create it by myself! And I won't post bought ones in this site!
2. The idea of not colouring my own lineart is little confusing. I understand not colouring the linearts from the other artists, 'cause I can be in the trouble with its' original creator. But not colouring my own lineart even once? I don't understand. Can someone explain it, please?

Kash : images will be changed, but we can't do it for all the sites in one day, this takes a LOT of time. Be patient about that

Kash - I agree! However some movies do have some ties to wolves or wuffs, merely by location however. = )

@ Nakou -- that would be a pleasant surprise. History has dictated otherwise, of course. And when I was a L&TS moderator for a time, I sent steet an e-mail and PM delineating abuses of the rules, by certain other staffers, that he wasn't even aware that they were doing. Needless to say that, when he finally did decide to act on it, he was not happy with those "liberties" those staffers were taking. At the time, those moderators actually thought they could keep steet from finding out what they were doing, and that he WOULDN'T catch it anyway because he was hardly ever on the English side (in their eyes, and, unfortunately, they weren't too far off-base in this observation). Thankfully he dealt with it to my (and others') satisfaction. So, you see, abuses do occur. By staffers...who take that "these rules are not exhaustive" phrase to mean they can get as creative as they feel they wish to at the time. Unfortunately.

@ OraKi -- thank you very much!

@ Kash -- and what, precisely, is a "wuff"? If you mean "wolf", then just say that. Don't try to be cute. This is a rather serious discussion.

I trust you!

Finally. This would be interesting.

Can I just say that having wuff images on sites that don't have anything to do with them is VERY very confusing?

I do hope this is a step in the right direction for the English side of the sources! Hurray!

Thank you so much for this! =)

Fantastic! These are quite helpful, and I'm definitely looking forward to see what other changes the near future will bring!

I personally think that this is a really good idea.

I think these new rules are very helpful, but I was also scared about the all sparkleness prohibition on Talespin Source, but thanks to Steet, some characters won't be deleted. I planned to put the profile of the character who is old shaman. Not too colourful, just with regular colours and with shamanic skills.

In the other hand, as JerseyCapitain said, the phrase "these rules aren't exhaustive" can be kinda dangerous, 'cause one person can treat it as the reason for the abusing other users. I agree completely with him.

News rules would be talked with all the staff (french and english) before being established, there's no abuse. We just warn that things can be added if a new problem happen. No mod will act as he wish with the news rules written, he just has to follow them and work in team if there's a doubt.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, this was one of Steet original rules.
As it's says on the new, we don't really add new rules, we've just explain the old ones and solve problems that we've seen on both side.

Hecate, it does not change the fact that there are abuses of that "not exhaustive" clause. It's been a recurring problem on the English side for years. I cannot speak about the French side because I am hardly ever there. But moderators are not perfect by design. And some have personal reasons to do what they do. But the most important thing is that there needs to be moderator oversight, and a way of seeking redress if a member feels he or she was dealt an unfair decision, or treated poorly. Originally, steet volunteered himself for that purpose. Then the membership got too large, and he assigned administrators. But administrators were people who were young, and who had friends here. And decisions even by them were not always balanced and without some agenda or favoritism. And it cannot be that. Ever. And those are huge issues over here.

"Long overdue" is quite the understatement. I'm glad to see these new rules take effect, and I look forward to any future changes the site may undergo!

JC : what is means by "exhaustive" is that they can change if there are some new problems. For example, on the french side, some mouths ago there were a LOT of adoptables and this was really abusive. Then, we fixed a limitation cause this was not good for the sites This is all what is means here, not that we can change the rules for a single member ^-^

Thank you. In the meantime, I'd like to hope that those are THE ONLY RULES, and that there are no "hidden" or "unspoken" rules which have often been used against some people (a recent case of a new member who made an innocent mistake, being harassed by a moderator over it, as a key example. Even when three experienced members went to this kid's defense, and tried to EXPLAIN the situation, it meant nothing whatsoever to that moderator, who was dead wrong).

All rules should be in type for everyone to see. Anytime you have a "these rules aren't exhaustive", it is a breeding ground for selective moderating by staff, and not always in a good way. I'm not talking about me specifically being on the receiving end. But if there is no recourse, or a way for a member to address a senior authority on this (i.e., YOU), then "these rules aren't exhaustive" is just a recipe for abuse, in my opinion.

BIG staff changes are sorely needed. Several of us are holding out much hope that there will be some judicious and wise resolution on that issue. Soon.

Great job you guys!

Oh, how could I forget?
Thank you Hecate, Nakou and Victor for translating the rules.

Batman : you can find it here : http://www.animationsource.org [...] sparkle-characters-t35763.html ( When you send a new character, the link is on the rules )

can you put the rules about sparkles im still a bit confused about that.

Thank you Steet c: This should make this a whole lot better!