Thanks The Batman, Brown wolf and Skul. From all the french staff which is trying to help !
And actualy, there is a lot of happy members, from some comment here and some message I've see in the site, PM, mod box ^-^ Just a minority unhappy, as always x) Can't do changes without it, this is impossible

The French mods literally dropped everything they were doing to help us out - and our gratitude is complaining? C'mon, guys, they've done more with this simple, selfless act than the entirety of the English side did in the better part of 2 years. This is meant to help us - but if we don't allow it to help, then it's a wasted act.

Nakou, you and the other French mods have our thanks!

Well said The Batman, and I agree 100%

People! The French moderators are here to HELP and still, all you do, or some, is whine.

They need to be thanked, not pestered.

Nakou, you and the other French mods, well done

Nakou, you may know but a lot of members are happy with what you and the fellow french mods are doing. I doubt you heard this much but ya'll deserve a big thank you for working on the rules.

JC -> For Steet : "He doesn't respond." I thought you said he did reply to you...? So I was right. Anyway, I said I wouldn't continue the drama over here but I think you're going too far away by saying:

" And frankly, I mean no insult to the French moderators and members, but I fail to see how having people from that side, exclusively, rewrite and dictate the rules here for the members of the English side if, by that statement I quoted, they don't understand the English side members and the many issues here, is supposed to be a good thing. No disrespect intended. Not at all."

Okay, so we should let your side in its mess? Sorry to be so crude, but that's it. We are here to help, to remember to people that's a FAN site, to give you strict rules 'cause you (the english side) always complain people don't find / know these rules... Will you be happy one day? Helping your side when our one is so "perfect and shiny" doesn't bring us anything... And you won't do better than us, just because you understand "issues" and all that stuff. In our side, many people come from different countries aswell. France, Belgium, Switzerland, Africa, etc. It seems you don't know our side better than we know yours. Easy to criticize, really. But you don't help the site at all in that way.

I must agree with Hecate. But may I add something else to this discussion?
I don't put here mature fics and pics related to Talespin fandom and during creating OCs for my Talespin fanarts and fanfics I check out if its' species is allowed on this site. But I'm in the comfortable situation, because in Talespin world there are multiple species of anthropomorfic animals from all over the world. I've gotta then other problem: there are a lot of OCs which are bears, wolves, foxes, dogs, cats... OK, my Ora is vixen, but I tried to make her unique by design - ya know, in order not to copy Myra's / Katie's / Muffy's / Lotta's look. I beg other Talespin fans, who are here, to create rhino / stork / giraffe / mink / mouse / whatever you want OC...

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And I know I've said all of this before. Ad nauseum. I keep wondering why nobody ever gets it. It's so painfully obvious. What's worse, it gets really exasperating, and quite frankly demeaning, to hear how "perfect" things are over on the French side. The French side is not the English side; it's much smaller in membership, and it is made up of people who all speak the same primary language. The two situations are entirely incongruous. To compare them, or to use one as a shining example of why the other is so inexplicably fraught with problems, is ridiculous.

And frankly, I mean no insult to the French moderators and members, but I fail to see how having people from that side, exclusively, rewrite and dictate the rules here for the members of the English side if, by that statement I quoted, they don't understand the English side members and the many issues here, is supposed to be a good thing. No disrespect intended. Not at all.

"Plus, excuse me, but on the french side, most of the members are less than 15 and there were no complaining and everything is ok on our side. Why so much drama here ? We are just trying to help you ... If you don't agree with those rules, no one is asking you to stay."


1. You all speak the same language over there as a FIRST language;

2. There are far less members on the French side than the English side, spanning far more countries and cultures;

3. You each obviously approach fandom in a different way, on your side, than at least a certain percentage of members do here, regardless of the age differences, nationalities, cultural differences, language differences, etc. That should come as no surprise;

4. Many more members come here, to the English side, from sites having nothing whatsoever to do with fandom of the movies in question. They come from places like deviantArt, Wolfhome, Doll Divine, etc. to role-play and to plaster the site with art, renders and fan fiction...a lot of it of very questionable quality. And here, they are allowed to do so practically unopposed, because there is no active oversight, and what moderators who ARE active are only actually semi-active. And then there is the dead weight...people on staff not actually doing ANYTHING except taking up space;

5. steet is seen, by the great majority of members on this side, as totally disinterested in us, and in the many problems faced by us and this particular side of the site. Some of us (I included) have tried to feed him suggestions and viable options for resolving these many things. He doesn't respond. We've tried sending him private messages...all we get in response is silence (and then, eventually, frustrated excuses about how he has a life and that he has to prioritize. Hey - this is still his site, and he still wants to be the webmaster...that means there are duties to perform). We beg. We plead. We moan and groan. We complain. It gets nowhere... (continued...)

If stuff keeps going well I might just come back to the sources! I sort of like the new rules.

Only animal which lives in the same country and in the same time than the movie are allowed. For example, there is no horses in Balto. But we all know that there were horses in Nome in 1925. Then they are allowed. But you can't use a Spirit image to do a character page or an image. You can draw it, there is already at least one horse on Balto source if I'm not wrong. Or use a free lineart (not blank render, lineart ) to do his/her page and images.

This is not a big deal, it's cause there is a lot of non related stuff. If we are not strick, this clearly become unrelated source. Just go on a random character page, image galery or fanart galery, you can see that there is way more creations which have NOTHING to do on a fan site than fan stuff =/ And this is why we have to apply those rules.

Plus, excuse me, but on the french side, most of the members are less than 15 and there were no complaining and everything is ok on our side. Why so much drama here ? We are just trying to help you ... If you don't agree with those rules, no one is asking you to stay. Devianart and many other sites/forums are open for all you unrelated stuff. You can also send it on the animations source forum if you want to show your creations which are not allowed on the site. I mean, this is not the only place where you can create your character/images/fanart/fiction etc ... Personnaly, most of my art is on devianart and not here, this is not a big deal if my wolf fursonna is not on Balto source some members do the same and it's ok, we all know that animation source is for fan content. This is already great to be able to send our characters. On some site, only officials character are allowed, it's nice from Steet to allow us to do some other things, but this doesn't mean that Animation source can become Deviantart

False.

"So, only lions, hyenas, meerkats and warthog OCs are allowed on TLK Source"
No. Any animal appearing may be used so also girafs, zebras etc and to be honest, after all the things I've seen, I've seen only once or twice something else than a Lion...

And what to do you call creativity ? You can still imagine/draw/edit/write a lot of things with these rules, it's more than enough. Now sure, I'm sorry if you can create a dragon in TLK, so much for that creativity. I think there is still a lot to do here, more than enough.

"Wow, this is really going to lose you guys a LOT of your current members. But, hey, less work for you mods, right? Excellent plan."

Now this is extremely unfair. If you're not happy than please go, but I think it would be ridiculus. Or objective is not to have less work, or objective is simplify the mess here, and remain in the movies universe, these are the main purposes of the rules AND don't say it's less work to add a whole new set of rules, apply them, update them. It really is a lot of work (especially for Nakou and Hecate who put a huge part of their personal time for all of this). Finaly this dosen't change the fact that new rules or not, mods still do all of this volunteerly. I'm sorry that this may disapoint you because things change.

So, only lions, hyenas, meerkats and warthog OCs are allowed on TLK Source.....and only deer, skunks or rabbit OCs are allowed on Bambi Source....and only horse OCs are allowed on Spirit Source, etc....

And you say these new rules are NOT meant to inhibit our creativity? Alrighty then! Wow, this is really going to lose you guys a LOT of your current members. But, hey, less work for you mods, right? Excellent plan.

MW Roach : I made a mistake considering the porcupine I haven't really paid much attention about it. Sorry. Actually, in this case, you wouldn't be able to make a porcupine character if it does not appear in the movie. So since there is no porcupine in TLK, than you wouldn't be allowed to use a render from another movie etc... my mistake.

=>New rules are stricter because it went much too out of control, there is no much choice here, and let's not forget that it's best this way in order to stay in the universe of the movies.

=>You can always put images or drawings you have done in a fanfiction as long as they obey to the same rules as any other image or drawing.

"The new rules seems to contradict themselves"
We have no problem with them on the french side, I don't see why there shall be some here.

How disappointing.

One more question. Does the "no combining screencaps from different films" rule affect the renders/images used in fanfics, or just in the renders in the Image section? Some people use images in their fanfics to help make the story come to life, kinda like a story book. Can we still be as creative as we want with those images?

And...just for the record...I can draw.

I guess if the rules state that you cannot use pictures from other films, that's that, unless they're within the same film series. If you want to create more characters from that particular film, and those creatures aren't SEEN in the film, the only alternative is to draw them - or have someone else draw them.

And yes, the new rules are stricter, but they're not meant to hinder in any way. Rendering in itself is somewhat illegal, because you're just tracing someone else's copyrighted image. If you're unable to render, learn to draw - which, and I speak from experience, is much more satisfying. The alternative to that is to have someone else draw it for you, which is mutually beneficial.

Stricter, yes. Hindering? Only if you allow it to.

I'm not talking about splicing screencaps from different studios: just different Disney films.

It just seems like the new image rules are going to seriously hinder our availability of poses/backgrounds and put a major block on our creativity as well. The new rules seems to contradict themselves and other new rules and being a very active member on this site, I feel these new rules will cause the mods to deactivate many MANY of my images that I worked very hard on as well as other member's masterful creations.

Yeah that would make since to avoid copy right from using another screencap from a different being entirely. It'd be weird seeing some one edit miyazaki films to use for their human characters. :| It'd probably cause a lot of trouble for the site.

Barrow: Okay. That makes sense.

However, using the Lion King as an example again, if one does create an African porcupine OC and wants to make a render of it with Simba or something (since all characters need to be used in a fan creation), doing that in and of itself would break another new rule that states that "all renders need to be created using ONLY the screencaps from that fandom's movie".

Since there are no African Porcupines seen in the movie, one would need to render over the porcupine from either "Bambi II" or "The Fox and the Hound", which would go against the new image rule, even though the character rule suggests I am allowed to make a unique character as long as it shares the same universe as the film in question.

So...I guess my new question is: are unique characters (not seen in the movie but share the same universe) only allowed in fanart or fanfic creations, or are there exceptions to cross-pollinate images from different films in order to create a fan image of my OC and an official movie character?

It's just that some of the new rules conflict with each other and I'm trying to get it straight so none of my characters or images get deactivated.

I think Conay's right, but Mighty does bring up the point that perhaps there should be some clarification - at least something like, "No obscenities, meaning no swearing, crude slang, etc."

Mighty-> Conay said it all. It sounds more than evident.
Blackravel : It it authorised if that character has a link with Balto (for ex : Musher, friend, master...)

Mighty: I think that is covered (although not well explained) by Rule 3: No obscenities.

While it doesn't specifically state swearing, one would expect it to come under either that rule or rule 18.

Blackravengospel> Rules say you can't use recolours from another movies for your character profiles and images. Even though many people do that - it is now forbidden. ("You can only redraw lines from the concerned movie, or add your own lines on it, but you can not, in any case, redraw any canin from any movie that is not in the concerned site." - fan image rules)

I've been browsing through the rules throughout the week, and it finally dawned on me that nowhere in the rules does it say that swearing is against the rules. While rule number 18 states that you can be banned for something not listed, swearing should be listed in the rules.

I've been a side member of the source sites since 2010 and I looked at the rules in the link provided but I don't see the changes that are their, unless I am just skimming them by mistake. The new rules sound a lot more reasonable then back then and I am glad as well. While I like wolves and dogs as much as the next person I am glad that we can make different characters in the universe as long as it's mentioned that it is in that verse. I have a question, With balto source since human characters are plainly visible does this mean we can use screenshots from different films to create them? I mean human fan characters if that helps.

Overall I feel these rules are better (and a lot more specific) than what we had previously. Although admittedly it could do with some proof-reading. Not that I blame non-native English speakers :D

Hopefully these rules can be the start, and not the end, of the restructuring of how Animation Source is governed and moderated.

Thanks Nakou, Victor et al!

Feathervenom - Of course! ^_^

MW Roach:

This rule has been created in order to avoid off-topic caracters. "he lives in the same universe as the one of the film " is enough to explain it all. It must be related to the movie. To retake the example of the Lion King, even if there are humans in Africa (duh XD) there are not in the movie, so making a human caracter in the Lion King would be off topic. But having a porcupine as you say, even if there are not in the movie, wouldn't be off topic, as there are many different animals in The Lion King.

Basicly, the caracter you create must be logic with the movie, it's as simple as that

Here's one of the new rules for creating a character:
"Your character can represent an animal different from the original character (the base you've used for it) on condition that he lives in the same universe as the one of the film (same country). For example, There can not have tigers in Lion King, the movie takes place in Africa. Plus, in the same movie, humans are not allowed. They don't appear in the movie. Moderators have the right to deactivate a character they believe is out of context."

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding this rule.

On one hand, it states that as long as your OC is native/living in the same country/universe as in the film, it's acceptable (for example: even though there are no African Porcupines shown IN "The Lion King" film, they are allowed because they are native to Africa).

However, the rule goes on to say that humans aren't allowed as Lion King OCs because they were not seen in the movie; although there ARE humans living in Africa. This contradicts the first part of the rule.


Can someone explain it to me? I might be reading it wrong....

I may be wrong, but I believe that applies to all the Sources, as well as non-Source art.

Is there one for TLK Source as well? I don't frequent the other source sites as much sadly.