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Since there isn't a Fox and the Hound forum for some reason. AND for some reason they won't post my review on the site, I decided to post my review here.

I watched that again to remind myself why I hated it. Yea I still hate it, don’t get me wrong.

BUT CAAAAAAT WHY DO YOU HATE THIS MOVIE!?!?!? IT’S ABOUT FRIENDSHIP AND THE ANIMATION WAS FLAWLESS. (Yeah, so flawless they resort to recycling their own animation from previous movies and even going so far as to playing animations IN THIS MOVIE in friggen REVERSE. By the way, you can thank Don Bluth for giving Todd the only few scenes he has emotion in.)

It was hardly about friendship. It was more about like every other Disney movie, where you don’t have to learn from your mistakes, so long as you didn’t have bad intentions at first.

They say that the book was about friendship and racism and stuff like that, and now, I’ve never read the book, but I didn’t get that vibe at all from this movie.

The animation, though more expensive-looking than Disney’s movies usually looked at the time, is /okay/. That’s about it. The backgrounds were different than what Disney’s usually looked like too, but they were still sloppily done in move scenes than I was comfortable with (when you’re picking out animation and background mistakes as a child, you’ve done something wrong with your movie.) The characters are complete garbage.

Todd: Our main character. Derived from a rather sadistic character that actually enjoyed giving Copper and the hunter a run for their money, is now your typical Gary Stu. A playful little Maverick when young, but when he grows up, he’s an emo little twit who gets a girlfriend for being such. The only mistake he makes is accidentally getting Chief hit by a train which in turn leads to the hunter wanting revenge on him. But he doesn’t learn from that, nope. Too late. Runs away alot and then you feel bad for him because he was never really against Copper ever? He’s supposed to learn that Copper is a killer and won’t be his friend no matter how hard he tries. Which turns out to be wrong. Yeah, point being, he doesn’t evolve as a character. Boring as heck.

Copper: And why don’t we get to see Copper’s experiences being taken away from his mother? We see Todd had a very sad beginning, what about Copper? Aww he gets a happy beginning. A new home and we’ll never know his mother and he’s forgotten all about her and— why am I going on about his mother? I never saw a mother, why should I give a care? Anyway, nothing really wrong with Copper at first, then he grows up. And “Yay look at me! I have a generic male voice! Growing up with hicks caused me to lose what little accent I already had!” Copper at the end realized that no matter what he was, he still had a deep connection (lawl) with Todd. So movie, stop pretending this movie is about Todd and make it about Copper please.

Amos: Really? You’re looking for revenge on a fox that broke your dog’s leg? Get over it. Seriously, the majority of this movie was him being all angryfaced because his dog BROKE HIS LEG!? People don’t have to die for this! You’ve illegally set traps everywhere, nearly got your head ripped off by a bear, and set a forest on fire (which, by the way, why was that never an issue in this movie?) BUT CAAAAAAT THIS MOVIE SHOWS THAT REVENGE ISN’T GOOD. People don’t want revenge for a broken leg! LET. IT. GO.

Widow Tweed: What? Just cuz you’re old and you don’t treat your cow like a companion I’m supposed to feel sorry for you for being lonely? My grandma has friends, why don’t you?

Chief: Yeah weren’t you supposed to die? I mean, I expect Disney not to follow the book, but um… yeah, you got hit by a train. Not only that but you hit your head on rocks all the way down an 800 foot mountainside, AND landed in a shallow rock-filled river. As a kid I was convinced you were dead. Sad, even. But Disney, you’re really stretching it making us kids go through all that crying and stuff just to reveal that Chief isn’t dead. Thus further reveals that it’s perfectly okay to want revenge on someone after they cause the broken leg of your loved one.

Vixie: Yeah, nice predictable name. You’re a fluzy and a perfect match for Todd. You’re both boring characters. How is she a fluzy, you ask? First off, for the sake of argument, let’s say that since these are technically anthropomorphic foxes (foxes with human characteristics) that they think and act like humans. Why the hell is Vixie thinking about having 6 kids with Todd, probably not even an hour after she learned his name? BUT CAT, THEY’RE FOXES, IT DOESN’T WORK THE SAME AS HUMANS!!! Yeah, exactly. Now I’m not an expert or anything, but I don’t think foxes think about having kits like humans do about children. They just mate first, ask questions later. Oh, and by the way,Todd’s later on shown with Vixie and you can clearly see their relationship has gotten no where since then.

Dinky and Boomer: Why were they in this movie? Well, I don’t mind that they were more interesting than the main characters. But the fact that they were around distracted me from remembering what movie I was even watching! I see them drag on this chase for this darn caterpillar for like 12 minutes and then the movie’s onto the actual plot. Wait, what was I watching again? Oh yeah. Sorry. I was more interested in finding out if/when they catch that bug. *sigh* I guess I’ll keep watching. By the way.


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So yeah. The characters are crap. And when you have bad characters, you have a bad movie. Animation’s fine, characters are not. Except for Big Mama. She’s alright.
3/10 because the animation was okay and Copper wasn't all bad

Thank you, Cat. I agree - where is that darn Fox and the Hound forum? We could really use it as I have a lot of things Fox and the Hound-related to talk about too.

I definitely see your point with how the movie sucks, and trust me, if it were more truer to the book it was based on, I betcha you'll probably be happier with the results... am I right? Personally, I like the movie, but there's better Disney movies out there that have unlikely friendships in it.

First off, I will agree that it's not about friendship... IMO, it's totally got more of a racist vibe about it than anything. You know, foxes and dogs... they're supposed to hate one another, which eventually they do, but at first, they never really knew that they were. It basically shows that kids can easily accept one another as, but once they grow up, they HAVE to be jerks and follow the world's protocol whether they like it or not - in this case: living as predator and prey, being enemies and not friends. The ending... it just gave this message [and even the audience watching this movie] a huge middle finger, and it didn't really make me feel like forgiving Copper for finally defending his friend at near death or for ending his whole plot of revenge against Tod. Way to go, man - you just remembered that this fox was your friend and you're going to save his life in front of your master... while he has a gun in his hands and after the fox saved his life from a freaking BEAR! Holy crap.

And I would have loved to see more about Copper's past too. It was more about Tod than anything, and now that I think about it, he was quite boring like you said. Though you have to admit he was a cutie as a little cub. Still, the fact that we see Tod's mother abandon him and soon hear that gunshot all at the beginning of the film just makes you instantly feel sorry for the little guy, and for a bit, we should. As he gets older, you're right that he just seems like this all-around nice guy that just can't understand that bad things are going to happen and things are changing. Again, if the movie followed the book... we would have seen some of those bad things, and in a nutshell, it doesn't end well at all.

Amos and Chief... well, I wished that Chief had been killed off as it would have made the anger that Copper had more believable. Hidden text : click to show ...but anyway. Chief was a wuss after his little injury... or at least once Copper dethroned him as the "better" hunting dog. But meh, Chief wasn't the best dog in this movie. None of them really were.

Widow Tweed... at least the sequel hinted a possible/impossible shipping with Amos Slade. I thought she was like the human character in this movie that you wanted to like, that's all. The kind-hearted woman who probably never had many kids of her own... if any, and now in her older age, she's given a second chance with a fox kit. A wild animal. Yeah, it's cute, but not something that normal people today should be doing.

Vixey... Yeah, she IS a floozie... and possibly something more than that [But this is a "family-friendly" forum... wah, but you know what I mean, right?]. I just wish I knew how she knew Big Mama... They never really answer that. Maybe the owl's got a thing for vulpines? /shrug

Dinky and Boomer... yeah, they were total filler. And I swear I just kept hearing TIGGER all the time when they were in a scene. Nice comparison pics by the way... I never caught that!

And lastly, Big Mama is total awesomesauce. She's the reason the sequel sucked just as much balls... because she was nowhere near it. [that and I doubt they could ever find anyone that could voice her as well as Pearl Bailey. Whoopi Goldberg would have been a good choice, but... eh.]

- Juuchan17

Yeah but both Copper and Todd were cute young. Them being young is basically the only thing people remember this movie for xD I don't know why the lines "And we'll always be friends forever, won't we?" "Yeah, forever!" Even as a kid I knew something terrible was going to happen. They didn't really need that oh-so-cheesy line because it was already being shoved in our faces that their paths were going in different directions. But I digress.

Anyway, what else I completely hate that I kind of mentioned was that, no I didn't feel bad for Copper at the end either, especially cuz Chief didn't die. But why does he get to be the bad friend? The reason is cuz we're literally with Todd the entire movie, why should we care about anyone else really xD When he says "Those days are over etc" he doesn't retract that statement. I mean we see him being his old playful Copper self, and that Chief had a problem with him being too soft. So they should've led us on for a few minutes before having Copper say that. I think what should've happened was that he actually be willing to keep being friends with Todd. Something like

"Hey Copper, it's me, Todd."

"I thought that was you, Todd! And I heard ya comin'! Boy, you've really grown."

"You have too, Copper. I saw you coming back with Chief and the hunter."

"It's great to see ya, Todd. But you know, you shouldn't be here. You're gonna get us both into a lot of trouble." (here we see that Copper MAY have changed and actually not want to be friends with the fox anymore)

"Hey look. I just wanted to see ya. We're still friends aren't we?"

"Of course we are. I may be a hunting dog. But I would never track you down."

"*smile*"

"Just the same. I don't want Chief to be the one doing it either. And I can't act against him. He's been like a Dad to me."

"Aw Chief. He doesn't worry me."

"Todd, I'm serious. We may be friends, but you're fair game as far as he's concerned."

And cue the epic chase scene, where Copper lets Todd go like he said he would, and later on regretting his decision after Todd causes the death of Chief. He would actually cry before threatening Todd. The fact that we get that moment where maybe Todd was right all along and that Copper hadn't changed at all over the course of time, would give us that extra shock where Copper swears revenge on Todd. At the same time we would feel sad for Copper because he lost a parental figure like Todd had, and by similar causes too. They would lose both their parents at the hand of their foe, without fully knowing up till that point why the enemy IS the enemy.

Sorry, I wouldn't really consider this a review... it's more of one long rant about how much you hate the film. My opinions about what reviews are is a clear-minded undertaking of the story with both its flaws and its strengths. This, however, is just showing your hatred and not giving the movie a chance. (Or at least not much of one) I do agree with you on some points, but others are just plain unrealistic.

For example, sure they could have killed Chief, as in the book, but as a kid, that would have been traumetizing enough. Excluding the fact that what used to be friends were now mortal enemies. The movie is about how even though some things just get in the way of friends and their friendship just can't be, you can still love one another. It's also about doing what's right; example: Tod saves Amos even though Amos was trying to kill him. Also, Copper showed his loyalty to Tod in standing up for him when Amos was about to shoot Tod. This movie is to inspire kids to have that same courageous, loyal, tender heart that the characters show, no matter what problem may arise.

In my opinion this is a very heartfelt movie, it has its flaws, but I don't think it's the worst movie in existence. You can believe whatever you want though, I suppose everyone has their own opinion on movies. =)

What.... Chief being killed would've been too TRAUMATIZING?

"Hi, I'm a kid from the 70's! I've seen an adorable old witch take on Nazi troops! I saw a cute little red-headed orphan girl get mentally maimed by her cruel aunt! But that was NOTHING compared to Chief DYING! Holy crap! I'd hate to be a kid in the mid to late 80's to see The Black Cauldron, that had a terrifying skull king and a character commit suicide for his friends. I'd also hate to see see Scrooge McDuck get sucked down to Hell. Not only that, but I'd also hate seeing the terrifyingly disturbing Return to Oz. And boy would I HATE to be a kid from the 90's having to deal with a more depressing scene than that, only with lions! I might be scarred for life or something!"

And Tod wasn't saving Amos. He was saving Copper. And this movie may have been about two friends coming together after a bunch of bad stuff and misunderstanding, but they could've done it much better. MUCH. MUCH. Better. And I don't give it kudos cuz it was made in the 80's where there were plenty of crappy movies from Disney, but most of them didn't baby their audience and were the better and more memorable ones. As a matter of fact, in the 80's Disney started making things DARKER after Fox and the Hound flopped so bad to Secret of NIMH.

Oh yeah, Secret of NIMH. I love that movie. The darkness of the desperation of a mother wanting to save her children and not wanting to get involved with the politics of a crooked rebellious swordsman is a lot more believable than a hunter wanting revenge on his dog's broken leg. And also alot more believable than Todd being the perfect Stu that he is.

Disney's movies flopped all through the 60's/70's because their movies were low quality and about stupid things. Secret of NIMH was successful because of the risks it took.

It's not that I didn't give FATH a chance. I actually gave it a third chance. And now I have a better understanding of why I dislike it. Even tho this review was more a review on the characters and how they negatively effected the movie. It's because their friendship was ruined by something stupid, which is how many friendships end, but shouldn't be encouraged. And anyone saying that it's better than it really is needs to re-watch it and compare it to better movies about friendship. I suggest Toy Story, or Road to El Dorado, or Homeward Bound, or Milo and Otis. You will see what I mean.

My, my, another rant.

Ok, I'll admit, I was wrong about Todd saving Amos, but I could've sworn he did at one point... oh well.

On the other hand, not all children like to see dark movies. You're an adult, thus giving you the want to see dark movies. And just because a movie isn't dark doesn't make it a terrible. Most Disney films are directed towards all ages, meaning that it's basically a child-friendly, fun film. You want to watch an adult animated film? I'd suggest Watership Down. That is, if you like blood...

*Ahem* If I ever come across as mean or rude, sorry, I have a tendency to stick up for these sort of things. *blushes*

Darker themes are more often than not more interesting for movies, especially for children (What's that? Children hate conflict? Right. Do I have to bring up The Lion King and the Nazis in Bedknobs and Broomsticks again?) But as you could see, every movie I suggested isn't dark in theme, albeit they have their own chilling scenes, and is still a better "friendship" movie altogether. I don't really see why you had to point out that I thought darker themed movies were better xD Because I said that Secret of NIMH was better than FATH because it took risks and used realistic characters and situations, and Disney just kinda kept making crappy movies with unrealistic characters and situations.

Friendship theme in:

-Toy Story: Two characters who totally hate each other have to work together to get home, but after some realization of envy, coming to terms with it and putting aside their differences, they achieve their goal, and become comrades for years and years to come.

-The Road to El Dorado: Really more amusing than touching, I'll admit. Two guys, already friends swindle and scheme their way through life, and eventually bring up personal issues when they have to decide between riches, a fling, being a god, and their companionship.

-Homeward Bound: Shows what lengths the truest of friends will go through to be with you. The characters battle against nature and even their own doubts before making it to their destination.

-Milo and Otis: One of our main characters gets lost in unfamiliar territory and his best friend goes through great lengths to find him, only to get pushed aside from someone else. They later on help each other, and even tho they've been apart for a long time, it's realized that they never really stopped caring for each other.

-Fox and the Hound: Two best friends grow up, and one friend wants pointless revenge on the other for breaking his father-figure's leg. But the vengeful friend only but realizes the other still cared about him only after he risked his life for him.

Well, here's the thing. I have no issues with the plot. I like the idea of two friends inevitably being forced to become enemies based on their background. I just thought that there was little reason behind it. And I didn't like how they treated that one side of the story was 100% innocent (Tod) while the other was 100% wrong (Copper), with little reason to BE wrong. It's unfair to the characters that the movie worked so hard to get us to connect to. This is where Disney's 10-20 year flopfest really shows. They don't really work with the plot to keep Tod and Copper in character, and they just kind of threw a random silly reason in there for Copper to hate Tod.

Again, nothing against the plot, nothing against the animation. I just hate the characters and they happen to deeply effect what happens in the movie.