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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:02 am 
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Remember the banned episodes? I watched them as a 6-7 year old kid and as I was born in 1988 it was after they were banned in the US.

Also a few Bonkers episodes were as well, ok police work is a little rough like the mad bomber one but that one where his partner was put into witness protection was screened (don't know why I remember it, it's one of only a few I do), though that came out later then Talespin and may have been the first run down here.

I though the first amendment prevented such banning anyway and I see it as a good way too teach kids about such stuff in a way where you don't rub it in their faces, besides as a kid I didn't care about such stuff and so should other kids so much, let them get wise slowly and have fun doing it.

And in the end it's just art too me not a true view of the world but a satire.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:24 am 
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Remember the banned episodes? I watched them as a 6-7 year old kid and as I was born in 1988 it was after they were banned in the US.

Also a few Bonkers episodes were as well, ok police work is a little rough like the mad bomber one but that one where his partner was put into witness protection was screened (don't know why I remember it, it's one of only a few I do), though that came out later then Talespin and may have been the first run down here.

I though the first amendment prevented such banning anyway and I see it as a good way too teach kids about such stuff in a way where you don't rub it in their faces, besides as a kid I didn't care about such stuff and so should other kids so much, let them get wise slowly and have fun doing it.

And in the end it's just art too me not a true view of the world but a satire.


Yes the first amendment has nothing to do with the banning of these episodes. However you have to remember that they were banned after the September 11th terriorist attacks. The networks did this because the eps might be seen as a means of propganda.


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Yes the first amendment has nothing to do with the banning of these episodes. However you have to remember that they were banned after the September 11th terriorist attacks. The networks did this because the eps might be seen as a means of propganda.


I'm not sure the episodes were banned following this event, I think the whole show was off the air (which is ridiculous, considering how little the show had to do with these events)

I think the two "banned" episodes were banned not long after they aired. However one of them got released on DVD (and who knows if the last one will ever be? if they had kept on releasing DVDs, I think they would have) so I don't think it was anything that bad. (and honestly, by watching them, I also think there's no real reason for banning them - if they want children to be "mentally safe", they'd better ban all the reality shows and the tween comedies on the Disney channels, which can cause severe damage to your brain :lol:)

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Yes the first amendment has nothing to do with the banning of these episodes. However you have to remember that they were banned after the September 11th terriorist attacks. The networks did this because the eps might be seen as a means of propganda.


I'm not sure the episodes were banned following this event, I think the whole show was off the air (which is ridiculous, considering how little the show had to do with these events)

I think the two "banned" episodes were banned not long after they aired. However one of them got released on DVD (and who knows if the last one will ever be? if they had kept on releasing DVDs, I think they would have) so I don't think it was anything that bad. (and honestly, by watching them, I also think there's no real reason for banning them - if they want children to be "mentally safe", they'd better ban all the reality shows and the tween comedies on the Disney channels, which can cause severe damage to your brain :lol:)


I think they were banned after the 1993 bombings of the WTC, heck I was 4 and a half and I didn't watch Talespin for another year or so.
Yeah! About those "reality shows" I've never seen anyone act like that in real life! And the day I do would be the day h**l freezes over!


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TheGroundedAviator wrote:
Remember the banned episodes? I watched them as a 6-7 year old kid and as I was born in 1988 it was after they were banned in the US.

Also a few Bonkers episodes were as well, ok police work is a little rough like the mad bomber one but that one where his partner was put into witness protection was screened (don't know why I remember it, it's one of only a few I do), though that came out later then Talespin and may have been the first run down here.

I though the first amendment prevented such banning anyway and I see it as a good way too teach kids about such stuff in a way where you don't rub it in their faces, besides as a kid I didn't care about such stuff and so should other kids so much, let them get wise slowly and have fun doing it.

And in the end it's just art too me not a true view of the world but a satire.


Yes the first amendment has nothing to do with the banning of these episodes. However you have to remember that they were banned after the September 11th terriorist attacks. The networks did this because the eps might be seen as a means of propganda.


Propgander? Heck as I kid that'll be the last thing I'd notice! Even today I don't concentrate and just watch the show, too me it's just a fun story and an artform.


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Okay; now let me explain the whole guise of this episode and the mystique of why it rarely if ever it aired on Disney Afternoon syndication slots and also rarely if ever on Disney Channel and Toon Disney. This episode was number 57 on the production paper; but the episode aired on August 8th, 1991. My theory is that either Eisner or Krisel knew all along that this episode was going to open Disney up to some blowback from the moral guardians. So they delayed the episode from the usual May or June airing to August in order to send it off to die (and hope no one would notice) and complete the syndication package for the television stations. So the episode aired on that date I mentioned earlier. Now here where you cue the really ominous music: 11 days later ; in Russia, The August Putsch (also known as August Coup D'etat) played out in as a group of members from the government of the Soviet Union took absolute control of the country from Mikhail Gorbachev for two days before Mikhail was restored to power. This was seen as the turning point for the demise of the USSR and the mighty empire was disbanded for good giving Canada the nod as the largest country in the world for good. One of the guys in that coup was Boris Yeltson by the way.

While no explosive devices were used to my knowledge (tanks were involved however); the whole incident like 9/11 had an after effect as after Flying Dupes' first airing; the Disney Afternoon Syndication outlets never ran the episode again and even after 1995 when TaleSpin was moved to Disney Channel and later Toon Disney; it only aired a few times if at all. So the episode was effectively blacklisted. It was NOT outright banned as I originally thought it was since the episode ran in Non-Disney Afternoon Syndication outlets and in international cuts (Family Channel Canada and even the syndies in Canada ran the episode to the best of my knowledge up to until Family Channel Canada took TaleSpin off the air to put in more recent programming.).

It is clearly obvious why Disney wanted no part of this episode: It dealt with a possible assassination attempt of a head of state and Disney was spooked into the thought that someone might use the show to justify blowing up a head of state that was a democracy like the United States. There is also a really nasty sub-theme in that a company duped a peaceful nation indirectly into delivering a bomb to kill a head of state just to profit from the war that would have come if the High Marshall has been murdered. This is a theme that a LOT of people all over the world and even some in the USA claim that this is HOW America became so great: Putting dictators into power and profiting from their bloody wars afterwards. This is also why a lot of the rest of the world hates the West because of the suffering that this ultimately causes them. And in many respects; they are right even if they are going about solving it the wrong way. So you got a terrorist theme and a capitalism screwing up whole culture plot lines and you are marketing this to children? No wonder Disney wanted no part of it; because it indicated themselves as a guilty party as such. Yes; it's absurd considering all the more violent content and more creditable sources, but Disney wanted to safeguard themselves from lawsuits and so this happened. Too bad it was a waste since everyone outside the USA saw it for years in all of it's glory anyway.

Happiscottman from USIMDB added that there was also risque dialog; but getting crap past the radar is NOT unusual in this series; nor even in as early as Ducktales. Also; we have also seen Baloo grab Broadcast Sally's rear (I forgot that in the Time Bandit re-rant) so this is quite tame. Implied Ineptitude of Military wouldn't have got this episode blacklisted simply because nearly EVERY series has idiot military figures. May I remind people of the FCC Navy in Ducktales? Satire of Gender Neutral characters has been done to death and the nudity thing is silly since Baloo has been naked as a jaybird before and Cubbi stripped naked in A Gummi By Any Other Name. Nor the swine comments either. It was mostly two plot threads: The blowing up a head of state and the corporate sponsored violence plots that got this episode black balled. Sadly; we will never know if this episode would have been reinstated or not on DVD since Disney canceled future sets of DTVA episode after low sales. Needless to say; if you think Disney is going to allow something like this again; then you must be nuts.


Edited version of my Flying Dupes rant. So there you go; the episode did not face a total ban, but it was rarely seen in America on Disney channels. This happened long before 9/11 as I stated earlier. I would also like to thank Chris Barat who offered me a pretty good explaination on this too.

TaleSpin as a whole was taken off for a year after 9/11 because there were episodes in the package that showed planes flying into buildings and Disney didn't want a backlash in the form of scaring young kids who may have witnessed the horror. In fact; BS&P seems to have stopped doing this plot device for a lot of new shows in recent years. A moot point though since the series returned in 2002 for a while before finally being taken off due to new programming and low ratings.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:14 am 
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Okay; now let me explain the whole guise of this episode and the mystique of why it rarely if ever it aired on Disney Afternoon syndication slots and also rarely if ever on Disney Channel and Toon Disney. This episode was number 57 on the production paper; but the episode aired on August 8th, 1991. My theory is that either Eisner or Krisel knew all along that this episode was going to open Disney up to some blowback from the moral guardians. So they delayed the episode from the usual May or June airing to August in order to send it off to die (and hope no one would notice) and complete the syndication package for the television stations. So the episode aired on that date I mentioned earlier. Now here where you cue the really ominous music: 11 days later ; in Russia, The August Putsch (also known as August Coup D'etat) played out in as a group of members from the government of the Soviet Union took absolute control of the country from Mikhail Gorbachev for two days before Mikhail was restored to power. This was seen as the turning point for the demise of the USSR and the mighty empire was disbanded for good giving Canada the nod as the largest country in the world for good. One of the guys in that coup was Boris Yeltson by the way.

While no explosive devices were used to my knowledge (tanks were involved however); the whole incident like 9/11 had an after effect as after Flying Dupes' first airing; the Disney Afternoon Syndication outlets never ran the episode again and even after 1995 when TaleSpin was moved to Disney Channel and later Toon Disney; it only aired a few times if at all. So the episode was effectively blacklisted. It was NOT outright banned as I originally thought it was since the episode ran in Non-Disney Afternoon Syndication outlets and in international cuts (Family Channel Canada and even the syndies in Canada ran the episode to the best of my knowledge up to until Family Channel Canada took TaleSpin off the air to put in more recent programming.).

It is clearly obvious why Disney wanted no part of this episode: It dealt with a possible assassination attempt of a head of state and Disney was spooked into the thought that someone might use the show to justify blowing up a head of state that was a democracy like the United States. There is also a really nasty sub-theme in that a company duped a peaceful nation indirectly into delivering a bomb to kill a head of state just to profit from the war that would have come if the High Marshall has been murdered. This is a theme that a LOT of people all over the world and even some in the USA claim that this is HOW America became so great: Putting dictators into power and profiting from their bloody wars afterwards. This is also why a lot of the rest of the world hates the West because of the suffering that this ultimately causes them. And in many respects; they are right even if they are going about solving it the wrong way. So you got a terrorist theme and a capitalism screwing up whole culture plot lines and you are marketing this to children? No wonder Disney wanted no part of it; because it indicated themselves as a guilty party as such. Yes; it's absurd considering all the more violent content and more creditable sources, but Disney wanted to safeguard themselves from lawsuits and so this happened. Too bad it was a waste since everyone outside the USA saw it for years in all of it's glory anyway.

Happiscottman from USIMDB added that there was also risque dialog; but getting crap past the radar is NOT unusual in this series; nor even in as early as Ducktales. Also; we have also seen Baloo grab Broadcast Sally's rear (I forgot that in the Time Bandit re-rant) so this is quite tame. Implied Ineptitude of Military wouldn't have got this episode blacklisted simply because nearly EVERY series has idiot military figures. May I remind people of the FCC Navy in Ducktales? Satire of Gender Neutral characters has been done to death and the nudity thing is silly since Baloo has been naked as a jaybird before and Cubbi stripped naked in A Gummi By Any Other Name. Nor the swine comments either. It was mostly two plot threads: The blowing up a head of state and the corporate sponsored violence plots that got this episode black balled. Sadly; we will never know if this episode would have been reinstated or not on DVD since Disney canceled future sets of DTVA episode after low sales. Needless to say; if you think Disney is going to allow something like this again; then you must be nuts.


Edited version of my Flying Dupes rant. So there you go; the episode did not face a total ban, but it was rarely seen in America on Disney channels. This happened long before 9/11 as I stated earlier. I would also like to thank Chris Barat who offered me a pretty good explaination on this too.

TaleSpin as a whole was taken off for a year after 9/11 because there were episodes in the package that showed planes flying into buildings and Disney didn't want a backlash in the form of scaring young kids who may have witnessed the horror. In fact; BS&P seems to have stopped doing this plot device for a lot of new shows in recent years. A moot point though since the series returned in 2002 for a while before finally being taken off due to new programming and low ratings.

"Hitting Close to Home" Editorial: http://cloudkicker.50webs.com/Editorial ... inrev.html


Wow! I could've only said something like that by way of mouth, and then parts of that (the history) arn't subjects I'm so well read on. But your right on all counts. Personally I think it's a good way too show the ways of the world to kids in a way the'd understand, and then I'm an un-PC show it anyway guy.


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ts_lover2008 wrote:
they were banned after the September 11th terriorist attacks. The networks did this because the eps might be seen as a means of propganda.
What part of the plot do you think was taken this way?


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