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Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:03 pm

What is everybodys problem? The rants are getting so ridiculous, half of them dont make sence. But dont even post to me why half of them dont make sence, i already know. It's because of the younger kids and why half of them dont make sence is because they are to young and naive. So stop complaining about it and try to do something, i know some mods are trying to help them out by saying use this and use that correctly. But theres another thing to that, dont be rude about it.

I dont want to see people replying to this and saying "well you're rude and blah blah the mods are doing there best." Well no DUH! you dont think i know that. Maybe we could help out the mods ourselves instead of adding to the fire. And i dont mean go out and boss everybody around like a mod when you yourself are not one. That also is really bugging me, stop trying to rule the source with your "poser moderator" habits. Seriously thats not helping at all.

To help out around here is going to be hard because most people who come here are younger and dont listen anyways. Theres a post that i think jersey started about mods and i think thats clever. Atleast somebody else is trying to help.

So what I'm trying to get at i guess is the rants are so childish, even by older users on here. Try to come up with useful rants and not the same old same old useless ones. There might be a post like this I'm not sure, sorry if there is. But it looks like there needs to be another because of all the chaos.

Some other side notes, great work JerseyCaptain you do such a good job on trying to head others in the right way to do things. You could probably come up with some great ideas on how to make everybody else actually listen. But thats kinda hard since this is the web.

Gahh...things like this get mods and olderusers in a *head meet desk* sort of mood. Thanks for reading and sorry if there is a topic like this.

~Adder

Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:59 pm

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Interesting rant. Would you mind giving some examples of some childish rants?

OR... are you talking about the same 'childish rants' that this person is? --> viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26598
(NOTE: You would've seen this rant if you had scrolled down a bit.

Childish rants would be like ranting about silly things that shouldnt even be a rant or making rants that have been made like 50 million times. And the person that you found is kind of what I'm talking about...but i added more into mine. :lol:

But still i have no clue the mods might close this one down now since "it might be the same"

I mean kids these days just make up the craziest rants and Want to start a flame war just for fun and it just bugs the crap out of me. Or the ones that respond to the rants with this huge long explenation of what they think of it all and bash the rest of the responders or the topic owner.

Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:01 pm

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I appreciate seeing some praise for my efforts instead of criticism or brash overreactive flaming, Panama. That's very nice of you.

You are one of the few who seem to recognize what my intent ALWAYS really is when I make a rant. It's a shame that more of your peers (and the remaining members) cannot see that and, instead, claim that I am flaming, trolling or just being a general troublemaker or malcontent.

I USED to be a forum section moderator on this site, and I believe I did a ***** good job. I pushed hard for the creation of the True Story board, and won. And it's been a great boon to the site. I actually spent time in the shoutbox, regulating according to the rules when other mods would not. And I was SLOW to ban (I think, in my time, I only banned two...MAYBE three people. And in each case, there was more than ample cause). Due to a heavy disagreement with a couple of other younger mods that led to a conflict (which is a closed book for most of us, I think...it certainly is for me), I ended up resigning out of frustration. That, in retrospect, was a mistake. But I am pretty certain that brought a final ending to my moderator days on Balto Source...more's the pity. Because I certainly see a lot of things which I would love to act on...and which I know I could be proactive about. And FAIR about. Would that I could go on. But I am certain it is best to just drop it here with the knowledge that saying more would bring no good. It would rather most certainly bring down a furor of he said/she said/"time to lock this topic" nonsense.

I suppose, as they say, everyone's got an agenda (hidden or otherwise). Even I have one - but mine is transparent...it is to see this site function efficiently, effectively, consistently, and fairly. However, it is obvious that, in the eyes of some, that is a threat. HOW so, I have absolutely no clue. Because, in reality, I present no threat to anyone who is capable of respecting the rules and being civil.

But I do get many of those "*head meets desk*" moments when reading many of the kinds of rants you are, well, ranting about. I mean, the person Kohaku referred to, and that particular rant, I am sort of neutral about. Because, in part, he/she is right...if perhaps having stated it a bit melodramatically or emphatically. Experienced members almost always invariably find that, while they enjoy coming to this site to varying degrees (depending upon the particular member), few will maintain - after dealing with the peculiarities (and peculiar individuals) of this site - that they "love this site".

You are most definitely welcome, maybe the reason why they think you are a so called "troll" is because they dont like the idea of someone telling them that they are wrong or doing/saying something wrong. I know i hate it when people do that but who dosent? But the one thing i know is how to control my behavior. And how to react when the other person is right and i am in the wrong. A big step to maturity.

And I'm quite sure you did a great job when you were a moderator. I myself wasn't in the shout box that often because of the fact of all the choas and i didnt want to get mixed up in that. As for your few bannings....was that because when you were on that few didn't do anything? I know from watching that almost everybody when they see a mod on will not start anything, then once they leave it starts back up again. So i don't see how you could of controlled that one, so to me thats not your fault.

A threat you say? Very strange..i don't see why either. Like you said you're just trying to make this site more enjoyable/compatible. Which i think many of use need to set a better example for the younger ones to learn to. That may be a small factor that the littlier ones are having trouble with. Other users disobeying the rules and the younger viewers see that and take it in as "Well thats how they do it, so I'll do it to"

But Jersey, what I'm thinking about doing is setting a better example for others. To do my part for BS, so that you dont have to do it all by yourself. And i know theres others that help you as well and i give them kodos for it. See jersey you already set a good example, getting other older members to help/guide. :wink:

Thanks for replying with a good post.
~Adder

Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:30 pm

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I suspect it is because I am unwilling to soft-pedal any response, or look the other way, when someone acts the fool or in an otherwise antagonistic manner. And that, to the staff, may be troublesome...they'd much prefer (and have often stated plainly) that they would like for everyone to just ignore troublemakers and not reply...that it does "no good" to stand up to them. I disagree. They say that they'll get around to dealing with them. In fact, they quite often do, but it usually takes a matter of days lately. And while I respect the fact that they cannot be here 24/7, and may not be when a report is made, a person still has a right to respond if he or she wishes.

Well by ignoring troublemakers wouldn't that just be a huge problem? Kinda the boat we're in right now. Wouldn't that make the troublemakers think that they are off the hook? Maybe thats why they do the things they do, because they know they can get away with it. But in my opinion i think its good for you not to soft-pedal anything, becuase thats what we have been doing for countless years on this site already. To me it's getting us knowhere and finally we have a bundle of people stepping up to the plate and Doing something about it. But yes the other mods do a good job don't get me wrong, but to me sometimes mods do/say things that are wrong. I hope i dont get flamed for saying that it's just my opinion and i'm not bashing them at all. But mods are not gods they're humans and they need to relize that some things need to be worked out differently.

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I tried to. The shoutbox has ever been a problem for this site. Because no matter how many people go there simply to do what the thing is designed for...social chatting...there always seems to be the malcontents, the trolls, the overreactive/hypersensitive kids, and the "poor me" attention-seekers who spoil it for everyone, and that is very frustrating. I was very slow to ban because I sought other resolutions (and often succeeded). I hated the idea of banning someone, and only did so when there was no other possible recourse. And in each case the ban was very deserved.

Back in the day the shout box was a sort of a problem but mostly everybody got a long. Yep...i have relized it has became a bigger problem, maybe we could do better without it, but steet i think dosn't want to get rid of it...i dont really know what his intensions are on that whole deal. Theres really nothing you can do about that problem but get rid of it. I have thought about suggesting the age log in, i have seen other sites do that. I don't think younger kids under the age of 13 should even go on there. Because of gramer/additude/age difference that younger kids have and they don't know how to properly use anything. BUT This is a "kid" site intently made for it.

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I believe it's because I am quite often outspoken, and not afraid to be direct when I have to be. I don't play the political game, or "just let it go". Maybe that makes me a harsh person. I don't know. I think it's an asset, and a refreshing (if not always welcome) honesty. Being outspoken on this site - depending upon what you happen to be outspoken about - is not a good thing to be, apparently. One very experienced mod seems to have the viewpoint that I seem to be a magnet for those who like to butt heads and flame. Perhaps he's right...to an extent. When you are willing to speak out and make a bold stand rather than back down and be wishy-washy, you invariably draw negative attention from certain quarters. However, I've also done, I think, a lot of good for the site, and made many good friends in spite of my being older than a large portion of the members.

That does NOT make you a harsh person. Like i said before more people need to be like you, meaning more people need to shape up and get in gear. Becuase as i see this site is just going to go more downhill and not get any progress at all. :lol:

So you attract "flamers" because people on here like...no love to start anything they possible can. And you being the person who fights back for what is right and not hidding in the corner makes them feel threatened...possibly. I agree with you and everything you have said so far and i think you're in the right.

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Well, I am hardly the only one. There are good, hard-working people here, and not all of them are staffers. Many are not. Some deserve to be, and are overlooked either because there is no space, or because they are not a convenient and safe choice for being on staff. *SIGH* That is an issue with no resolution, unfortunately. Yes, some people help me, and I sometimes help them. I enjoy doing so. Far more so than butting heads with idiots. Given that choice, who wouldn't?

Of course, it needs to be understood, by the other readers of my posts, that I am not - in a roundabout way - trying to get back on staff. What's done is done. If there is ever a call for me to return, I'd gladly serve. Nor am I whining about the inequities of the current situation regarding where I am as opposed to where I was (though I do have rather pointed personal opinions on the selection process used on this site for staffing...which I won't go into here, as it would only enflame this topic). But once again, I am speaking my mind. Some will see that as irritating or inconvenient. Others as amusing or encouraging. I am not looking to see an argument or debate break out over this. But the topic discussion went in that direction. I followed it without reservation, and regret nothing.

No kidding yes i have seen other instead of you and i think it's a great idea of it all. Team work...it's great!
Yes, others need to read this and understand that you are not meaning to get back at the mods. Theres no reason for you to do that. Great Work though Jersey all together you speak and do awesome and i only wish that others would completley understand what we're trying to do. I hope to god theres no argument over this it would be irrational for others to start one over this. It's simple a harmeless rant that i thought was needed.

Ghost-Unit · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:59 pm

It won't be good for this site. If each rant topic had to go through the staff first, then most or all of the ones that criticize the staff and what they do will never go through. And likely other legitimate rants will never come to light because of it.

steet · **Posted:** Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:25 pm

Sorry but I didn't read all the topic...

Although I am quite frightened to see that the place where the members post the longest argumented messages is...the rant board.
Couldn't you use your time for something more interesting and valuable?

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Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:15 pm

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Sorry but I didn't read all the topic...

Although I am quite frightened to see that the place where the members post the longest argumented messages is...the rant board.
Couldn't you use your time for something more interesting and valuable?

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You speaking about the replyers to this rant? Or what this rant is all about? You confused me there.

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