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 Post subject: Titanic, did Jack and Rose indirectly cause the sinking?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:18 am 
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I was watching Titanic yesterday and something occurred to me.
After Jack and Rose they escape from the storage room and start playing about on the deck.The 2 crewmen in the crows nest are watching for icebergs are watching them instead.
They look up and almost instantly see the iceberg, maybe if they had been looking ahead like they were supposed to they might of seen it earlier.
so, in the movie maybe Jack and Rose indirectly caused the collision?

Of course this was only in the movie, an I am not blaming Jack And Rose!

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I was also thinking about that as I watched that many times! I'd say yes, they did!


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In the movie, yeah XD

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I think it was just the director's theory of why the guys in the crow's nest didn't see the iceberg long before they should have. Although, I think in the real incident it was because it was so foggy that night, and they didn't have radar back in 1912.

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I have no idea.
But we should realize that it is a film and the story need they did this.
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i know what you mean, but why were they watching jack and rose kiss instead of doing their job? i mean, two people joined at the lips isnt that exciting!


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I think it was just the director's theory of why the guys in the crow's nest didn't see the iceberg long before they should have. Although, I think in the real incident it was because it was so foggy that night, and they didn't have radar back in 1912.



are you sure it was fog? apparently it was a very clear night. the water was perfetly still and so it couldn't be seen breaking against the ice berg. then it was too late...


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Swords of the Wolves wrote:
I think it was just the director's theory of why the guys in the crow's nest didn't see the iceberg long before they should have. Although, I think in the real incident it was because it was so foggy that night, and they didn't have radar back in 1912.



are you sure it was fog? apparently it was a very clear night. the water was perfetly still and so it couldn't be seen breaking against the ice berg. then it was too late...


Well, I checked some sources, and the real reason why they didn't see the iceberg in time was because someone locked up their binoculars in some cupboard, and forgot to leave the key on board, so the key was left in England, so nobody could get to them. If they had used their binoculars, they might have seen it earlier, but since they had to use their own, unaided eyes, they couldn't see that far ahead.

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Jack and Rose were never real people although there was a Dawson on the Titanic named Joseph Dawson who did die that night. I believe that they never caused the sinking in the film since well they never existed.

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uh, kinda, cause they did draw the attention of the people in the crow's nest, but then again, it was dark and it was hard to see

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No, not really... if you're still speaking theoretically about the movie, putting the facts of what ACTUALLY happened aside, the two men on the crow's nest were really only watching them for a couple seconds. A minute at most. And they even turned back to stare out at the water again. You're hypothesizing that in that single minute, a mambo iceberg could've snuck up on them? Highly improbable. But hey -- it makes a great movie. ^^

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No, they did not actually.

There were several problems, really, that led into it. April 14, 1912 was a moonless night, they didn't have binoculars (David Blair took the key to where the binoculars were stored when he left the ship at Southampton) - but even with binoculars it would be hard to see the dark side of an iceberg, the ship was going quite fast (due to Ismay's and Smith's determination to beat the Olympic) - plus it was less than a minute between Fleet's announcement of an iceberg and the collision. Plus, Smith was not on the bridge at the time of the collision - it was Murdoch who was on duty.

If you pay attention to Ismay (who is the president of White Star Line - which is presently under Cunard (who had the ships Lusitania, Mauretania, Carpathia (who rescued the survivors), the Queen Mary, and the Queen Mary 2) in the film, you'd find him pressing Smith (who was planning on retiring), to speed the ship up - so in other words, Ismay and Smith would be the indirect cause of the sinking. It really didn't matter if the lookouts were paying attention to Rose and Jack, as they couldn't actually see it until it was too late.

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Jack and Rose were never real people although there was a Dawson on the Titanic named Joseph Dawson who did die that night. I believe that they never caused the sinking in the film since well they never existed.


Yes, I have a special Titanic book wth the list of the dead, I also saw this.


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i know what you mean, but why were they watching jack and rose kiss instead of doing their job? i mean, two people joined at the lips isnt that exciting!


It was a little more than "Kissing" more like "Snogging". In them days all pornography or evan just snogging amazing, unlike today, if you saw somlike doing that, you would walk past it like it was just a phone box.





But I doubt they did, since the sea was not rough, they could not see the waves bashing against the Iceburg, not too mention the noise from the Titanic at 22knots against the sea was pritty loud, not too mention they could hear the engines running. + the wind, I doubt it still would of been too late to see it, evan if they where too see it a minute earlier, it would still would of hit, maybe just furthor down the ship.

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LOL i blame them! XD

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