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 Post subject: Dog Fighting- Sport? Or Just Pure Stupidy?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:12 pm 
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Yes not all of this is written by me but little parts are:
ntro: What is dog fighting?
Dog fighting is a physical fight between canines, sometimes involving the pitting of two dogs against each other for the entertainment of spectators, and for the purpose of gambling. It is considered by some to be a sport, as the dogs are judged on their wrestling, bite and gameness while onlookers root and place bets. Dog fighting is accepted in some countries but is illegal within the United States, United Kingdom and other countries. Fight trainers are referred to as "dog men"


The Dogs

They're trained to be agressive towards other animals which makes them "dangerous". This makes most people think that they are bad dogs, when in reality they are loving and sweet is trained properly, and not for fighting.

Usual the dogs are pitbulls or pitbull mixes. But they can also be boxers!
The Training


All fighting dogs are conditioned from a very early age to develop what dog-fighters refer to as “gameness.” The scope and method of training varies dramatically depending on the level and experience of the dog-fighter. The following Techniques are commonly used to train the dogs:

Treadmill: Dogs are run on the treadmills to increase cardiovascular fitness and endurance.

Catmill/Jenny: Apparatus that looks like a carnival horse walker with several beams jetting out from a central rotating pole. The dogs are chained to one beam and another small animal like a cat, small dog, or rabbit, is harnessed to or hung from another beam. The dogs run in circles, chasing the bait. Once the exercise sessions are over, the dogs are usually rewarded with the bait they had been pursuing.

Springpole/Jumppole: A large pole with a spring hanging down to which a rope, tire, or animal hide is affixed that the dogs jump to and dangle from for extended periods of time. This strengthens the jaw muscles and back legs. The same effect is achieved with a simpler spring loaded apparatus hanging from tree limbs. A variation of the springpole is a hanging cage, into which bait animals are placed. The dogs repeatedly lunge up toward the cage.

Flirtpole: A handheld pole with a lure attached. The dogs chase the lure along the ground.

Chains: Dogs have very heavy chains wrapped around their necks, generally in lieu of collars; they build neck and upper body strength by constantly bearing the immense weight of the chains.

Weights: Weights are often affixed to chains and dangled from the dogs’ necks. This builds neck and upper body strength. Generally, dogs are permanently chained this way. However, sometimes the trainers run them with their weights attached.

Bait: Animals are tied up while the dogs tear them apart or sometimes they are confined in an area to be chased and mauled by the dogs.

Drugs/Vitamins/Supplements: Dogs are given vitamins, supplements and drugs to condition them for or to incite them to fight. Commonly utilized vitamins, supplements, and drugs include: iron/liver extract; vitamin B-12; Provim; Magnum supplement; hormones (testosterone, Propionate, Repotest, Probolic Oil); weight-gain supplements; creatine monohydrate; speed; steroids (Winstrol V, Dinabol, Equipose); and cocaine.

The dogs are trained against one another and against older, more experienced dogs. In the early stages of training, the dogs are incited to lunge at each other without touching and engage in quick, controlled fights called “rolls” or “bumps.” Once the dogs appear match ready, they are pitted against stronger dogs to test their “gameness” or tenacity in the face of exhaustion and impending defeat. If the dogs pass the test, they are deemed ready to fight.


The Fights

Dog fights can take place, in all sorts of places. A old house, A Old Warehouse, Anywhere that's old and not visited often.Professional fighters have very specific rules for the matches, while street fights just do whatever they want with the dogs. Among the professional and mid-level circuit, matches are arranged months in advance.

The locations, referees and participants are carefully selected to ensure maximum secrecy.

Diagonal ‘scratch lines’ are drawn on opposite corners of the pits, behind which the dogs must remain until the referee commands them to be released. Before the match, the dogs are weighed and washed to ensure that they are not covered in poison.

During the match, the dogs maul eachother until a turn is called. A ‘turn’ refers to the act of one dog actually turning away from his opponent without trying to grab a hold of him. When this occurs, the dogs are separated briefly and returned to their handlers. Then they are placed back behind the line.

The History Of Dog Fighting

Investigation and Prosecution

i. Presence of Dog-Fighting

Law enforcement agents may encounter suspicious activity as a result of a citizen complaint, an unrelated investigation, a deliberate investigation or completely by chance. Field agents must be trained to recognize the indicators of potential dogfighting activity. It is extremely common for agents to come across any or all of the following, often in plain view, when there is a presence of dogfighting:

(1) Dogs: Certainly not all pit bulls are fought, but officers should be watchful of signs that pit bulls on the premises are being trained or bred for fighting or have been fought. Multiple dogs are generally housed in one location. More sophisticated operations may look more like a kennel; in fact many individuals who breed and fight dogs do so under the auspices of a kennel to deflect suspicion. Less sophisticated dog-fighters, especially the urban street fighters generally have several dogs chained in back-yards, often behind privacy fences, or in basements or garages. Dogs that have been fought have fresh wounds or scars, in various stages of healing, on the head, chest and legs.

(2) People: A dogfighting data-base should be maintained to track suspicious and known dog-fighters. They will often lead you to other dog-fighters and to multiple locations where dogs are kept and fought. Dog-fighters move their dogs frequently, so it is important for law enforcement to pay close attention to whether a suspect has multiple residences, including out-of-state. Detailed records should be kept of the individuals that come and go from suspicious locations. Surveillance is especially important on nights and weekends, when large numbers of dog-fighters may come together.

(3) Signs of Training or Matches: The presence of a pit is a sure sign of fighting, but agents should pay close attention to blood spattered on any surface. Dogs may be fought or trained in basements, garages, barns, and vacant buildings, so spatters of blood on any interior walls or floors should be closely documented. Dogs are often trained outside, so agents should watch for blood spattered outside, especially near training equipment. When live animals are used as bait, there are generally remains of the animals on site. Agents should look for patches of fur, bones, or decomposed bodies.

Agents should be able to identify the training devices and implements such as: treadmills, catmills (jennys), springpoles (jumppoles), flirtpoles, chains/weights, and any implements used to hang or harness bait animals. Pry bars, bite sticks, or breaking sticks are used to pry a dog’s jaws open when he has gripped onto another animal. Investigators should be trained to recognize these, as they would be quickly overlooked by the untrained eye.

(4) Signs of Transport: Large numbers of portable dog-kennels on site may indicate that the dogs are frequently transported to and from matches and between multiple locations. Adult pit bulls frequently appearing and disappearing from a certain location with no explanation may be involved in fighting.

(5) Vitamins, Drugs, Food Supplements and Veterinary Implements: Most dog-fighters do not take their animals to a veterinarian for treatment for fear of exposure; as a result, it is extremely common to encounter veterinary supplies and manuals during an investigation.

(6) Physical Evidence of Bookmaking/Contest: Agents should watch for trophies recognizing match winners, or conferring the titles ‘Champion’ or ‘Grand Champion.’ Other physical evidence to look for include: ledger slips, match results, stats of an individual animal’s performance in matches, photos of dogs or matches

(7) Technology: Matches are often filmed, and the tapes can be an excellent source of intelligence gathering. Dog-fighters are increasingly utilizing digital cameras, so when possible, computers should be checked for digital evidence. Many dog-fighters also utilize the internet to maintain contact with other ‘fanciers,' post match stats, to order and sell supplies and dogs, solicit veterinary advice, etc. So, a thorough search should probe both computer files and the internet history. The newspaper can also be utilized to identify potential breeding and selling of fighting dogs. Often classified advertisements for fighting dogs include a reference to ‘game bred’ dogs, or some will actually advertise that the bitch or sire is a ‘Champion’ or ‘Grand Champion’.

(8) Publications: Agents may find the following publications:

* The Sporting Dog Journal
* Your Friend and Mine
* American Game Dog Times
* The Scratch Line
* Face Your Dogs
* The Pit Bull Chronicle
* The Pit Bull Reporter
* The American Warrior


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 Post subject: Re: Dog Fighting- Sport? Or Just Pure Stupidy?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:17 am 
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Just out of interest.. why did you post this?

Most people know what dog-fighting is and there are plenty of boards on the matter.

It's a sick so-called 'sport' which is now illegal and yet there are still sick adults out there that continue to take part in it.


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 Post subject: Re: Dog Fighting- Sport? Or Just Pure Stupidy?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:51 pm 
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Dogfighting is a sport... a stupid and cruel one.

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 Post subject: Re: Dog Fighting- Sport? Or Just Pure Stupidy?
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Outlaw wrote:
I believe that it's neither a sport or "pure stupidity".

I don't understand how it could be considered a sport, but I also don't think dog fighters are stupid. Don't get me wrong - I don't approve in dog fighting AT ALL, but the people who do it are smart. It's an easy way to make a few extra bucks, they're not risking anything other then going to jail for themselves, and it can be considered entertaining by some, particularly those who can't fight their own battles.

However, it is considered a sport by most people so that should answer your question.

True that they're smart to get away with it, but their dumb to break the law.


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it's pure stupidity!!! :wangry: :wangry:
it's evil!!!

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i see it as for sport and stupidity, acually stupidity led to the sport begginning in the first place. :roll:

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I think that dogfighting is a sport - a very cruel and greedy sport. I think it's horrendous that some people will force these poor dogs to live in misery just so they can make money.
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it isn't a sport its murder. even if the dog lives 2 be saved by some1 who cares there's a slim chance 2 erase what's been taught 2 them for god nos how long. It's a shame the owners get a few years in jail while the dog has to be put down. shoot for every dog ur dog has killed should be another 10 years in jail u should get thats what i call justice not like 2-5 years when u've been killing dogs 10-15years. They don't deserve it. I've been raised around these dogs my whole life (well minus like 3 dogs including my current beagle) and i can tell u theirs no1 more loyal and obenit. They'll be the best family dog and rather die for u then see harm done. The neg steryotype of these trained fighters upsets me greatly

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JerseyCaptain wrote:
And how many topics have we seen about this on this board? How many?

These are just the latest couple:

http://baltosource.timduru.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16381

http://baltosource.timduru.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16967


Exactly, just post in one of those topics instead of creating a new one.

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