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Do YOU use the (c) sign?
Yes. 31%  31%  [ 5 ]
NO. 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
Only sometimes. 38%  38%  [ 6 ]
When I feel my art is worth it. 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
Huh? I don't even SIGN my art! 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
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 Post subject: Something has been bugging me....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:53 pm 
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This has been bugging me lately. Seeing these: (c) [c] |c| etc. (some people even get in the real ones! XP)

Okay, I am doubting that any of them have a real copyright license. I'm pointing this out because, yes, you can actually get in trouble for using a fake copyright. Not to say that you couldn't still add a wetmark to your art or anything (you can even have your name carpeting the picture for all I care) I know I'm not a mod (well, at least not on this site.) but I'd just thought I'd mention this.

Besides that, if Steet has a (c) license, then aaaalllll the art that's posted here technically belongs to the website, leading to the webmaster, which is Steet, and therefore, Steet would own them. Not that I'm really aware or not if Steet (or any of you people) have a copyright license. I'm just saying, that mayhaps YOU (yes, you, who bothered to read this) should think of something creative to mark work as your own that isn't sprinkling upon the laws of the government. (again, not to say that I'm not all-for anarchy!) But I don't want anyone to get in trouble because of something so stupid.

This may result in nothing. Some people may get angry, some people may start using (c) just to press there luck. Again, I'm not a mod, I can't do anything to stop you, it's just a word of advice from a fellow-artist who has learnt her lesson (the...er...hard way) Well, with that said, I hope you heed me, but as stated before, nothing can make you.

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I had this problem with someone in a rant, and yes, I use the signs (only I use this- ©).

Someone said "just buy your freakin' copyrights and shut up!" Well, I brought up that not everyone could afford a copyright that was about $50. I know I can't. The next thing I know, the person is like "Get a job, mow lawns, sell cocaine (suggesting that on a kids' site? Gotta be a nutcase [for lack of better words]), I don't care".

So I brought up my next point. People will then walk around saying they had a government patent (©) for their work just to keep people away. Still, the person argued their point of "just buy the stinking copyrights" without looking at the sides of that will happen with suggesting such things.

But, I do agree with you about all of this (what the heck, I agree with about everyone -_-).

I think, putting those symbols, is mainly to scare some weaker thieves away. Though, there are those gutsy ones. But we'll never know for sure who really has a copyright on their work or not. I know I'm working up the money to get Kirada and my images/fanfics patented/copyrighted to me. Just because I'm an American and I like to sue (no racism meant here).


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correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that all artwork is automatically copyright to the artist who created it (unless, of course they traced/copied from someone else). So, the original artist has the right to put the (C) sign on their original artwork. Characters, however, cannot be copyrighted- to protect characters and such, they must be trademarked, which does cost money.

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agwolfcp wrote:
correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that all artwork is automatically copyright to the artist who created it (unless, of course they traced/copied from someone else). So, the original artist has the right to put the (C) sign on their original artwork. Characters, however, cannot be copyrighted- to protect characters and such, they must be trademarked, which does cost money.


That's what I thought, when I joined the site. And I still do, outside of character/specific drawing Government patents.


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Okay, since some of you don't quite understand the issue and price ($50?!?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME! A PATENT IS THOUSANDS!!)
READ AND LEARN

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Copyright is a set of exclusive rights regulating the use of a particular expression of an idea or information. At its most general, it is literally "the right to copy" an original creation. In most cases, these rights are of limited duration. The symbol for copyright is ©, and in some jurisdictions may alternatively be written as either (c) or (C).

Copyright may subsist in a wide range of creative, intellectual, or artistic forms or "works". These include poems, theses, plays, and other literary works, movies, choreographic works (dances, ballets, etc.), musical compositions, audio recordings, paintings, drawings, sculptures, photographs, software, radio and television broadcasts of live and other performances, and, in some jurisdictions, industrial designs. Designs or industrial designs may have separate or overlapping laws applied to them in some jurisdictions. Copyright is one of the laws covered by the umbrella term 'intellectual property'.

Copyright law covers only the form or manner in which ideas or information have been manifested, the "form of material expression". It is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied in or represented by the copyright work. For example, the copyright which subsists in relation to a Mickey Mouse cartoon prohibits unauthorized parties from distributing copies of the cartoon or creating derivative works which copy or mimic Disney's particular anthropomorphic mouse, but does not prohibit the creation of artistic works about anthropomorphic mice in general, so long as they are sufficiently different to not be deemed imitative of the original. In some jurisdictions, copyright law provides scope for satirical or interpretive works which themselves may be copyrighted. Other laws may impose legal restrictions on reproduction or use where copyright does not - such as trademarks and patents.

Copyright laws are standardized through international conventions such as the Berne Convention in some countries and are required by international organizations such as European Union or World Trade Organization from their member states.

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And this is from the U.S. Government:

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Who Can Claim Copyright?
Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.

In the case of works made for hire, the employer and not the employee is considered to be the author. Section 101 of the copyright law defines a “work made for hire” as:

a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment; or

a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as:

a contribution to a collective work
a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work
a translation
a supplementary work
a compilation
an instructional text
a test
answer material for a test
an atlas
if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire.

The authors of a joint work are co-owners of the copyright in the work, unless there is an agreement to the contrary.

Copyright in each separate contribution to a periodical or other collective work is distinct from copyright in the collective work as a whole and vests initially with the author of the contribution.



And also from the government, is this:

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Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See following note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See “Copyright Registration.”

Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is “created” when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. “Copies” are material objects from which a work can be read or visually perceived either directly or with the aid of a machine or device, such as books, manuscripts, sheet music, film, videotape, or microfilm. “Phonorecords” are material objects embodying fixations of sounds (excluding, by statutory definition, motion picture soundtracks), such as cassette tapes, CDs, or LPs. Thus, for example, a song (the “work”) can be fixed in sheet music (“copies”) or in phonograph disks (“phonorecords”), or both. If a work is prepared over a period of time, the part of the work that is fixed on a particular date constitutes the created work as of that date.



Put simply, it's to say that YES, you little ninnies, you're work IS entitled to some copyright priveledges and it IS yours under copyright law. but using the actual © IS A PATENT! YOU HAVE TO BUY THOSE! *sigh* Why did I even bother with this? It is to no avail.

But still, I encourage everyone to think up their own way to self-patent their work (withOUT leaping on the boundaries of the government) and for those in the UK or France or wherever, I've checked and the laws are basically similar; if not stronger because of the higher percentage of artwork initiating out of those areas (Rome, Italia areas, etc.) Much more paintings... US is more abstract stuff.....XP

Well, no matter you're outlook on this-HEED MY WORDS! I GOT IN TROUBLE FOR USING A PATENT WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE ONE!! Got me in juvie for about a year...believe it or not....TT_TT

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Putting those copyrights is just a little extra protection for art and whatnot. But technically an artist's drawings are already copyrighted once they've drawn them, cuz its a creation. If someone copies off it, then...well, it's not creating, it's cloning. Its like off-brand Kraft Macaroni and Cheese: is pretty much the same product, but it'll never be as good as the original stuff.


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catwhohas14tails wrote:
Its like off-brand Kraft Macaroni and Cheese: is pretty much the same product, but it'll never be as good as the original stuff.


Wow, I never thought of this point. But; Cat has a point (doesn't she always?).

It's like on DeviantArt (that I just noticed today...) Under the picture, it will say
"© Copyright 200- ~(artist's name here)."


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