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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:48 pm 
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Alright so I was watching Men in Black with my dad and he told that he asked a question to his favorite about how our galaxy could be a part of something bigger. So are we part of something more in our big wonderous or not?


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Yeah. We are. You just dont know that yet. Haha.

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Yes. There are thousands, if not millions of other galaxies and solar systems out there that haven't been discovered. Some of them probably never will be. I believe that the universe never ends...it's just filled with endless space. :P

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I think we are, but there's no way of ever knowing.

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Of course...We're all apart of osmething bigger. But osmetimes i itnhk the universe is tiny, so people THINK it's big but really they're just going around in circles.

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Of course we are. I feel it's a little impossible for this to just be it.

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-Are we part of something bigger?

Uhh... Yes, definitive...? The world itself is bigger... and we are part of it... or was it smaller? :scratch: :scratch: Dunno...

Well: out there are definatly other living species... and other intelligent species, ones whose technology is higher developed than ours.

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...ones whose technology is higher developed than ours.

That, however, is something I'd like you to prove ;)


Well, the question "are we part of something bigger?" can easily be answered: YES. We are part of "life" on earth... part of a global ecosystem and evolution, for example. The question is always how we define "something bigger" - personally I doubt that there's any sort of "intelligent" power controlling us and our development, while I believe that nature is the invincible and indomitable truth that rules over our lives. Nature, of course, isn't limited to our planet - so it's very likely that other "more" complex life exists.

Does that mean that, in terms of "humans", something equally or more intelligent exists on another planet? While nobody will be able to deny, prove or falsificate this, it's not very likely that such a development happened somewhere else too. The genus "homo" was very lucky to get through several evolutionary complications with its concept of a highly intelligent but very fragile 'animal', and that was a consequence of developing such an enormous brain... other intelligent creatures would have to go through very similar processes, which makes it a rare happening.

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I just say now: It is highly arrogant to think that we are the oldest race with the highest technology. If you look at the space as its whole, you'll see that the space is old enough to have races which have higher technologies then we do.

It is the same with the sand: There are 'a lot' of planets, even if there is life on 1 of 1000 planets, and intelligent life on every 100000th planet, the chance is STILL increddibly high that there are older races than us.

(I don't know the exact numberst, so don't kill me =P)

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I just say now: It is highly arrogant to think that we are the oldest race with the highest technology. If you look at the space as its whole, you'll see that the space is old enough to have races which have higher technologies then we do.

It has nothing to do with arrogance. It has to do with rational conclusions.

Considering the fact that, in a natural history of several billion years, in which we can talk about 250 million years of existence of "more complex" life on our own planet, 'man' exists for not more than 1.8 million years, shows how rarely the rise of 'highly intelligent creatures' occurs. The problem in it is, that our genus paid an enormous price for being intelligent: we need to eat what's rich on proteines (hence, meat, which is dangerous to get) and we have one of the highest death rates at women by giving birth, as pregnancy seriously weakens the mother due to the development of brain tissue of her offspring. Today it isn't much of an issue for us, as we ourselves created secure environments and medical support that assures almost everyones survival - but we had to get to this point, and that required a lot of luck and excellent conditions allowing such a development.

Of course: we can't say we're the only ones. Actually, we're the evidence that such an evolutionary step is possible. But you've to keep in mind that earth itself is already something pretty unique, due to the following features:

- it has the possibility to host advanced life, which is nowhere else the case in our own solar system (hence, an atmosphere allowing efficient metabolisms to work).
- it protects its inhabitants from UV-Radiation (which is deadly for any monocellular life, and disallowed the development of advanced organisms on earth for most of the planet's lifetime)

It took billions of years until earth's life was able to survive on the planet's surface, due to simple physical conditions disallowing that, and it's VERY unlikely that other life-hosting planets had or still have it any better.

Now, it's one thing to think of an equally intelligent creature. But an intelligent creature with a better technology (hence, stuff like traveling from solar system A to solar system B and leaving signs on a farmer's field)? Personally, I think that's a pretty ridicolous thought. For two reasons:

- Humans never "invented" a technology. We copy mechanisms that have been developed in nature. Other intelligent creatures would mostlikely do the same, and get to pretty similar results.
- We both, humans and foreign creatures, are, additionally to our metabolic dependencies, bound to the same physical limits: we've to transform energy (energy can NEVER be created), we've to invest a lot in overcoming gravitation, we've to protect ourselves against radiation, we've to protect us against collisions with any other matter in space, we surely can't accelerate ourselves to lightspeed, and so on...

...so - in short: even IF such a creature exists, and that indeed might be the truth, it's absolutely irrational to assume that it might have been on our planet already, or that we'll find it - since - we're literally bound to our own solar systems.

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I don't fully understand this topic but...

(If anyone is offended or anything about what I'm about to write I apolagize)


We are part of something bigger. I am a Christian so I belive that we are a part of something bigger as far as belief and God are concerned.

(Note: If any Moderators read this and don't like what I wrote, only delete this comment. Not the whole topic. Sorry if anyone disagrees with me! Don't want to argue! If anyone has any questions, PM me.)

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