This is the first and last time I will start a gay rant.
Warning: The following rant contains mature subject matter and is not suitable for anyone who is uncomfortable about sex and sexuality
First they came for the communists, and I didn’t speak out, because I am not communist.
Then they came for the socialists, and I didn’t speak out, because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak out, because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
-Martin Niemöller
I have kept silent on this far too long. I am quite sick of people having open mic night to, quite frankly, assail homosexuality, and every time someone speaks out otherwise the people who were ranting about how immortal homosexuality is play the victim. I stayed silent, only protesting once to a mod via PM to correct a mistake he made. For that, I was threatened with banishment. No more can I sit back and watch, I must, like the rest of you, speak out. It’s time I posted my 2 sense on this. Hurray for the Rant Board! If this truly is a rant board than this topic will be just as legit as BaltoSeppala’s. This is a response to everything I should have responded to earlier.
My signature has the slogan “Neonda Pinka B%^$slap!” that is a quote by 2, the Ranting Gryphon. He rants for a living and I take after him. Much of the material I use is from him. This is as close to a *real* rant as anyone’s going to get. I’m sick of people thinking this is a flame war. This is not a flame war… yet, a flame war is much, much, much, much more hostile than this has been. I’ve seen so much crud on this that I have to speak out. If I get banned for this, so be it. It will be the true test to see if there is anything here left for me. But let it be known, I will not go quietly.
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And I DO believe it [homosexuality] cheapens and hurts the cartoons and the characters (and, thus, is an insult to them and their creators). AND that it also cheapens, hurts, and lays deep insult to the real history, and the real heroes (canine and human) of the 1925 Serum Run.
And of course, the inane sequels, pseudo family relations, and liberal fact changing didn’t already cheapen the true story at all. [/sarcam]
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It's about these fan fictions...and having them constantly pushed into our faces
Did I miss something here? Honestly, I never have read one fan fiction on this website, let alone a gay one. I never was the victim of a gay writer making me read their stories. Was someone forcing you to read all the stories? Was there a gun against your head with a man yelling at you to read the stories? I’m fairly confident that that’s not the case, but if it is, I’ll retract this statement.
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I hear you Sep, I too feel like the minority and we are both preaching almost the same thing.
Now that’s something else that gets me annoyed, the straight minority. Homosexuality is estimated to be in about 5-10% of the human population. There is no way that there are more gay people on this forum than straight people. I have never heard the idea of straight people being prosecuted by gay people. Its ridiculous. That would be like Quakers prosecuting people of different religions.
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There are a certain number, Ac. However, they've been intimidated into silence
Who is putting the straight man down? How are gay people intimidating straight people? I’ve only seen about 3 people on this forum support gay fics. There are a lot more than three people posting in these. Where are all the repressed straight people?
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I feel like I'm betraying myself, the cartoon characters I've come to love, and the real dogs and humans who I've not only come to love, but to respect and admire. I feel like I'm turning a blind eye to who I am. And that's not fair to ME.
That seems very odd. That statement is all about you. *You* are betrayed, *you* feel that it’s unfair to *you*. That is a very self-centered post. Yet, you said a few posts before that, that it is selfish for those authors to write gay fiction. “they [authers] look inward at themselves, and what is important about THEM. They are selfish...they are concerned with, and wrapped up in themselves” So are you saying that they cant share their “creative” literature with anyone because it’s “unfair” to you?
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just because Kodi was not given a female love interest in Balto 3, that it's okay to make him gay? First of all, he's a DOG (and no matter WHAT anyone says, dogs and other animals ARE NOT CAPABLE OF HOMOSEXUALITY. At most, maybe the great apes are...and maybe lower primates).
I brought this up with the person who posted this. However, I was threatened with banishment. But the rest of you all haven’t heard the counterpoint. Animals are quite capable of homosexuality. Homosexuality has been observed in over 1,500 species of animals and well observed in over 500 of those. The reference for that is
the BBC on the Oslo gay animal show New York also has a few gay penguins living in Central Park. Click for the full article, from the San Francisco Chronicle on
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Second, that mindset is the same kind of reverse prejudice that people use on heterosexual men who don't marry by a certain age, or aren't visibly sexually-active. "He MUST be gay...he's just hiding it! Har har har! Let's go get a beer!" PFF. I'm still single. And middle-aged. I guess, by that definition, I'm gay. I never realized that. I've never even had the slightest interest in the male anatomy, or sexual relations with another male. But whatever...
That’s by your definition and possibly the definition from jocks(hence the beer). Psychologists recognize several orientations, including everything between straight and gay as well as asexuality, which is defined as not being sexually attracted either way.
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That's an admirable suggestion, Clippy. But it's unlikely to work. Most of the ones who have written this stuff have one or both of the following attitudes:
1. "I'll write whatever I FREAKIN' please, and if you don't like it, tough. Don't READ it."
Until recently, it wasn’t against the rules to write gay fiction. They had all right to tell you to mind your own business. If it wasn’t against the rules, why should they change their works to fit your personal tastes?
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It's not about hating gays for me. Not at all. It's about protecting the CLAIM that this is a kid-friendly site. Right now, it is NOT. And no matter what some of you liberal-minded, unworldly teens and kids (and even college-aged folks) might think, those themes are STILL inappropriate on a site which calls itself "kid-friendly".
Does that mean all those scientist and researchers just have a liberal agenda when they say there’s no evidence of homosexuality harming children? If homosexuality was damaging to kids, wouldn’t Massachusetts’s, Vermont’s, California’s, New Jersey’s, Canada’s and half of Europe’s kids be facing sever emotional trauma now, those stated areas either have large gay populations or legalized gay marriage/civil unions.
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And no matter the liberal mindset, these themes (including homosexuality) are NOT child-appropriate. Traditional nuclear heterosexual family life is. That is the very biological nature of our species, ever since pre-history.
I would like to see the data supporting that as posted in *peer reviewed scientific journals*. Is it also wrong for single parents to raise families? What about orphanages? There is no nuclear family there, yet they have been permitted to exist throughout history.
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The REAL challenge is to be true to the original stories and themes, and the characters as they ARE.
That is a challenge, because in those movies, most of the characters are very static and don’t change much over the course of the movies. The easy way around it would to be to invent new characters, which is what Universal Studios did for most of their characters.
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Some of you are complaining that you are disturbed by the fanfics and you annouce it publicly, constantly saying how much it hurts you that people would dare write a homosexual fic with Kodi. Imagine this, it also hurts if you are homosexual and you see these comments: It's disgusting! It's horrible!. That must hurt too don't you think?
I can vouch for that statement. I do have to say, unfortunately, that I’ve grown so used to the anti-gay mentality here that it doesn’t bother me nearly as much as it did when I first saw these topics popping up.
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I'm sick to death of your talking out of both sides of your mouth, you whiny, selfish, self-centered, bratty little hypocrite.
I always thought if a mod takes a stand in a debate, he must be an example of how to behave. That right there is a flame. A real flame, and its behavior like that which leads to flame wars when people insult the people, not their posts. Now that the rest of you have seen what a real flame looks like, try to avoid them or this
will turn into a flame war.
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However little kids don't understand gay themes and I don't think a site that has alot of kids who are really young should have such themes in the stories.
Come to think of it, I don’t think little kids get sex in general. Take any movie where the hero kisses the damsel at the end and show it to kids under the age of 12. It’s almost a given that they’ll go “EEEEW GROSS! BLECH!” Kids just don’t have a sex drive yet, and won’t understand anything about the romantic parts of a story, no matter what the orientation is.
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And you, Tick, are just a little noob that doesn't understand much.
It looks like we have a very weak, poorly written flame here too! Just a piece of advice on how to insult someone online; Never use l337 such as “n00b,” it makes you look just as bad as the person you are trying to insult. Also, never call someone a n00b when they’ve been on a forum longer than you, that’s just illogical.
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but because this is a CHILDREN'S FORUM. Most children know nothing of sex, so don't teach them the wrong way.
Freud said the only unnatural sex is no sex. Sex is not a matter of choice. It is not something you can teach, let alone teach the wrong way.
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I don't like it when they say they're born gay....because they aren't. They choose to be.
I am so sick of hearing that. I find it ironic that its almost always straight people who say that homosexuality’s a choice. I don’t remember choosing my orientation. When was that day? If homosexuality is a choice, doesn’t that mean heterosexuality is a choice too? Who remembers choosing to be straight? We also must take into account that homosexuals are one of the last groups of people that it’s still socially acceptable to prosecute. Gays are frowned upon by almost every religion, they face getting disowned by parents, abandoned by friends, bullied, beaten up, and even killed, just for their orientation. Who chooses to be in that group? And if it’s a choice, that means that it must be a choice everyone can make. I want to see you try to be gay for just five minutes. Try being attracted to the same gender. Not as easy as you though, is it?
I do actually have a suggestion on how to better mod fanfics. One fanfic website I go to, which I shall just call Y***Star, (because if I give the name people will look it up and I’ll get in trouble) they have a system on how to efficiently control fanfics. When someone uploads a fic, they fill out a little box that describes what content it contains. If there is a big content feature that is not described, or is too graphic for public viewing, it can be flagged for a mod to review and then tell the author to improve the content. There also is a rating that is goes from 1-5 and is voted on by the reader. If this system were implemented, people would not accidentally read things they disagreed with, and if they did, it would be their own fault. The rating also helps users find better-written stories.
Now to lighten the mood, I’ve got the ten reasons why gay marriage is wrong:
1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5) Straight marriage would be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8 ) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. (I, myself, am working up the courage to pop the question to my toaster, she's hot <3)
