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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:33 pm 
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I was sitting in geography today and saw that in the ice age the water drained out of the sea between Alaska and Russia.Do you think thats what the ice bridge was on the movie was are that was the point?Does that mean the wolves are in northern Russia?

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It's possible. It is true that Humans used a natural ice/land bridge to get to North America from Russia, but that's like, what, 20 miles long? I think that if it was intended to be the ice bridge accross the Bering Straight (which is what it is called), Universal might have made the sequence of crossing the ice bridge a bit longer...

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Actually, from Nome, to the eastern tip of Siberia, it's nearly 200 miles. It couldn't have been (even though I once thought that's what it meant too). It's probably just from one part of Alaska to another. After all, Nome sits on a huge peninsula, with two large bodies of water flanking it and other parts of Alaska.


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It does depend on how far away from Nome Balto and Aleu ran too.

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It does depend on how far away from Nome Balto and Aleu ran too.

Perhaps. But if you've ever seen that show about the crabbers in the Pacific northwest, some of the region they cover brings them to the Bering Sea (which is the region between central Alaska and Siberia...along with, also, the Chukchi Sea north of it, and the Baltic Sea north of THAT). Have you seen how unbelievably rough those seas are? And they are like that a lot during the year, not just for a short season.

Really, even the normal surges of a sea that deep would be too much. It's far more likely the wolves are supposed to be crossing Norton Sound to the south, or Kotzebue Sound to the north of the Seward Peninsula.


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It does depend on how far away from Nome Balto and Aleu ran too.

Perhaps. But if you've ever seen that show about the crabbers in the Pacific northwest, some of the region they cover brings them to the Bering Sea (which is the region between central Alaska and Siberia...along with, also, the Chukchi Sea north of it, and the Baltic Sea north of THAT). Have you seen how unbelievably rough those seas are? And they are like that a lot during the year, not just for a short season.

Really, even the normal surges of a sea that deep would be too much. It's far more likely the wolves are supposed to be crossing Norton Sound to the south, or Kotzebue Sound to the north of the Seward Peninsula.


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BaltoSeppala wrote:
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It does depend on how far away from Nome Balto and Aleu ran too.

Perhaps. But if you've ever seen that show about the crabbers in the Pacific northwest, some of the region they cover brings them to the Bering Sea (which is the region between central Alaska and Siberia...along with, also, the Chukchi Sea north of it, and the Baltic Sea north of THAT). Have you seen how unbelievably rough those seas are? And they are like that a lot during the year, not just for a short season.

Really, even the normal surges of a sea that deep would be too much. It's far more likely the wolves are supposed to be crossing Norton Sound to the south, or Kotzebue Sound to the north of the Seward Peninsula.


Makes you wonder how the Bering Straight got frozen over in the first place... Besides, if it was the Bering Straight that the wolves in WQ were crossing, it would have been extremely unrealistic. (not that too many movies are anyway...) Since the Bering Straight is as rough as you say it is, it would have been impossible for the blocks of ice to have aligned like they were in the movie for that distance from Alaska to Russia, and on top of that, for the sea to hold the ice blocks for long enough for the wolves to cross it for those 200+ miles...

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It does depend on how far away from Nome Balto and Aleu ran too.

Perhaps. But if you've ever seen that show about the crabbers in the Pacific northwest, some of the region they cover brings them to the Bering Sea (which is the region between central Alaska and Siberia...along with, also, the Chukchi Sea north of it, and the Baltic Sea north of THAT). Have you seen how unbelievably rough those seas are? And they are like that a lot during the year, not just for a short season.

Really, even the normal surges of a sea that deep would be too much. It's far more likely the wolves are supposed to be crossing Norton Sound to the south, or Kotzebue Sound to the north of the Seward Peninsula.


Makes you wonder how the Bering Straight got frozen over in the first place... Besides, if it was the Bering Straight that the wolves in WQ were crossing, it would have been extremely unrealistic. (not that too many movies are anyway...) Since the Bering Straight is as rough as you say it is, it would have been impossible for the blocks of ice to have aligned like they were in the movie for that distance from Alaska to Russia, and on top of that, for the sea to hold the ice blocks for long enough for the wolves to cross it for those 200+ miles...


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Swords of the Wolves wrote:
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It does depend on how far away from Nome Balto and Aleu ran too.

Perhaps. But if you've ever seen that show about the crabbers in the Pacific northwest, some of the region they cover brings them to the Bering Sea (which is the region between central Alaska and Siberia...along with, also, the Chukchi Sea north of it, and the Baltic Sea north of THAT). Have you seen how unbelievably rough those seas are? And they are like that a lot during the year, not just for a short season.

Really, even the normal surges of a sea that deep would be too much. It's far more likely the wolves are supposed to be crossing Norton Sound to the south, or Kotzebue Sound to the north of the Seward Peninsula.


Makes you wonder how the Bering Straight got frozen over in the first place... Besides, if it was the Bering Straight that the wolves in WQ were crossing, it would have been extremely unrealistic. (not that too many movies are anyway...) Since the Bering Straight is as rough as you say it is, it would have been impossible for the blocks of ice to have aligned like they were in the movie for that distance from Alaska to Russia, and on top of that, for the sea to hold the ice blocks for long enough for the wolves to cross it for those 200+ miles...

There was a substantial ice age (actually, there were several), and the sea levels were a lot lower in prehistory because of them. The landbridge was mostly deep ice frozen over sea bed and possibly even some water...at least, that is how I understand it.

Still, the cartoon does not specify WHICH body of water they crossed, nor do I believe they ever intended to. It's another item left up to the viewer's imagination. Nevertheless, a crossing of 190 some miles, over rough seas, jumping from ice floe to ice floe would simply have been impossible in real life...even for animals such as wolves.


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And don't forget: The caribou crossed the water first, so you know that whatever they crossed had to withstand their weight as well.

I think BaltoSeppala has the best guess on where Aleu and her pack ended up (I mean, they crossed mountains to get to wherever they traveled to, and they reached the ocean, so you know they crossed some part of the ocean or a sea, where he smell of salt water is. I think Balto mentioned that in the film before they ran into the pack of wolves.).

Man, I wish I could get a hold of some pictures to map this out!

But SimbasGuard also makes a good point: Aniu and the use of magic was involved, so there's a chance that they crossed the water to a fantasy world or something (or just another part of Alaska that we could care less about).

[EDIT] Well, I did find a couple of relief maps (the maps that show elevation and mountains and that stuff) and I think I found a couple of areas that it could have been:

I saw on a map that there were a couple of mountainous areas past White Mountain (which was featured in WoC), and a body of water that separated two peninsulas. This would make sense since we know that the distance wasn't huge, and that Aleu and Balto couldn't have traveled too far from Nome in only a matter of days. (I suppose she inherited her father's endurance skills with those big paws, eh?) There's another two peninsulas that are about several miles from the previous spot that it could be, but the distance across the water is longer, so I suppose that cancels that out.

I think I've figured this out: Aleu ran away to the east (due to the position of the sky in relation to the town and Balto's boat - Balto's boat was near the shoreline, meaning it's to the south of town IMO.) because when she first ran away, the moon seemed to be rising from the direction that she was traveling - east.

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How about this, Juuchan? :wink: (See my comments about the map below)

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Now, keep in mind the tremendous size of Alaska (a map of THAT, with important historical points, I placed at the bottom of this post...from an earlier post in the True Story board I was using the map for). When you see the western tip of Alaska, and the eastern tip of Siberia, it doesn't look all that far, does it? Still, I researched it. It's a distance of about 190 miles.

And that makes something else interesting...the Seward Peninsula, which is the huge peninsula which gets so close to Siberia in the map (and upon which Nome sits, on its southwestern end) is flanked by Norton Sound on the southern end, and Kotzebue Sound on the northern end (and both the Bering and Chukchi Seas to the west). Both sounds are HUGE (when you consider their size in relation to the distance between Alaska and Siberia at their closest points). But each narrows substantially as they work inland. THOSE are conceivable crossing points, if you consider Balto 2 from a realistic standpoint.

Of course, like SimbasGuard said, Balto 2 is a magical movie, in which Inuit tribal magic comes into play. So it's possible that ANY crossing could be considered. It's just that most of them are unrealistic.

Now...to get an idea of just how big Alaska is, here is the other map I promised (Chugach and Tongass are forests on the original map...the towns and cities were added by me):

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That could be the answer.But I'm still wondering if it was the ice age when they crossed or was it sometime else?

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BaltoSeppala: That map is perfect. Let me take the time to use it for my point, and I'll get back to you! Thanks!

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Ice age? Definately no. It was 1925 when Balto 1 took place, and it was still in the 1920's when WoC took place. So, yeah, the most recent ice age was long over when Balto 2 took place.

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