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Just ouch.

[quote] How the heck did Vesta even become a moderator there? Did Silver Huskey lose her sanity for a moment? [quote]

Remeber shes AC's mate, by the way there is no need to be puttin Silver Huskey down.

I believe I should be allowed to defend myself so I have joined. I am not going to sling insults at anyone but I have to say I am a little mythed. I never stated I wanted the Balto genre to die and to be honest now you are just insulting me when I don't believe I really threw any insults in the first place.

Granted my last 2 replies may have been a little.. emotional but I don't believe I diserve any knives in my back.

But you did say you wanted to do a Balto RIP petition. You did say you wanted Universal to kill Balto. That automatically means you want no more people to get to know Balto, because with nothing Balto related in the years to come, no one who doesn't already know it, will care about it. And I know that a lot of people are still in that case. Remember that I never heard of Balto until last year...That's nearly 10 years after its release.
Don't forget that a lot of people discovered the original Balto with the sequels.
Oh, yes, I see I'm wrong, this quote from you summarize it all : "I don't care if no one else discovers Balto, it isn't my concern". Then why do you have a website then, for yourself only? Sorry, this is egoistical.

And no one can bare Vesta, who you are big friend with. Yes I did throw insults, but mainly at Vesta, which you seem to follow blindly. If you're never contradicting her, and instead always defending her, it means you agree 100% with what she says. You think you're strong, and that your opinion is the major one, just because you defend each other. But you're not. Sorry but most Balto fans are not following you. Even the oldest, as you seem to think.

As I said, I don't really have anything against SH, except from having named Vesta as a mod, and not seeing the fact that on my last posts, I was dealing with the personal attacks to me (and others too, the "followers"...), and not the petition itself.

I reproach you to not having said in front of me all the things that I did and that you didn't like, before that war happened. If you did say all that before it happened, I could have understood and tried to change things. But you didn't, and I always wondered why you never seem to talk to me, I didn't understand. Until you bursted everything at me, at the same time. I even apologized to you, but you didn't care. Don't be surprised if some people have changed their opinion on you, now.

You just never took me seriously, since the very start.

I can find many reasons to be angry at you, but I think I'll just stop there. I've already explained them a lot of times now.

EDIT : Oh sorry, last thing. You said you hadn't time to look at the petition, but the week I posted it, you did came on TIB, and posted messages on the other topics. If you wanted to give your opinion on the petition, at that time, I could have understood. But it's too late now. I suppose you just didn't care about it, because you thought no one would sign it. Too bad.

Go steet! All Balto fans should sign the petition wether they think it'll work or not. It might work. Anything is possible.

I come on here to try and clear things up and you laugh in my face and insult me. Steet I could open up so bad on you but I won't cos I don't see the need nor want to, I will just answer your post in a calm and collected way.

You use my Balto RIP petition joke as an example, you take my words too serious and too litural. I never had any plan to do such a thing, I was having a laugh a long with everyone else who liked that idea lol!

Don't have a go about Vesta to me, I do not control what she says and nor does she me, I don't know why you can't accept that we are two very different people. People keep saying she is my "mate", girlfriend yes, "mate" (unless you are referring to the English way of saying it) is a furry term and I am not a furry. But I digress on a very minor thing, you say I never contradict her, how do you know this? I talk to her every day and she would back me up in saying I often contradict her. Just because we agree on one subject doesn't mean we never ever argue or contradict each other. Now you are making assumptions about me and classing me as an idiot.

Now I understand English is a second language to you (and I never said otherwise) so let me help you in pointing out that you are using "egotistical" in the wrong way, that isn't egotistical, at the most you could say it is hypocritical but (it isn't because) to answer your question, yes my website is for me, I made it because I enjoy it, it is my hobby, for me. I am just glad that others enjoy it too. Sorry if you don't like that, but why did you build a website? Surely the fact that you wanted a website in the first place must have triggered it. I mean if you don't want a website, you wouldn't build one!

Again with the Vesta, this is me here on my own, again I come here in peace and you just insult me again.

Steet I am not being funny or harsh or mean when I say that the honest to god reason why I never really was interested in taking part in conversation with you or any other activity is simply because I do not spend that much time on here these days, I come on here to talk to my girl friend and if I can do message boards etc as well then I will. However due to limited time I do not talk to *anyone* else, I am not being rude, I just can't fit everything in, I do have a busy life and no time to make new online friends when I have so many who live close to me. The fact that you did act the way you did just made me less likely to want to persue a friendship. However as this links in, I am not really worried if people change their opinion of me, I am not here to be worshipped as some sort of god, I am just online to take a short break from real life and enjoy talking about the things I am interested in.

It seems that you have been pretty bitter towards me for such a long time, you have mentally logged all my activities etc but really why does it matter? You are never going to meet me or even get to know me. It kinda worries me that you obviously read my LJ and then just laugh at it here. Sorry if what I type there isn't what you believe to be important enough for an LJ or whatever, but it is a record of my time and I would appreciate it if you didn't make fun of my life. I know that I am not going to be preaching to the quier here or anything but a lot of people have noticed that your attitude has become very nasty and a lot of people have offered words of support, words which you probably shouldn't hear. I won't say who as there is no point. If you don't like my LJ then get out of it!

Can I ask everyone honestly if stating you can't be a firend of mine as you don't agree with me is a nice thing to say?? I mean that is one of many nasty comments towards me. It shows the side of you Steet that you should walk away from. It is just an animated movie after all.

Ok, I have had enough of this issue. Steet, forget what I said earlier, I
will make my post here, and it is directed at you, Vesta, and Fluke. Here is our problem. On that topic all of you crossed the line, even you Steet, you all said things that shouldn't have been said, and this entire dispute is to be blamed on you all. All of you need to admit that you cossed the line and take responsablity for your actions. Ac, I don't know if you are Vesta of Fluke using a diffrent screen name, but I didn't see any coments made at you on the petition topic. Now we need this problem to be solved. I post here not as a member of Steets forum, but as a member of the Balto community. This issue must be solved and peace must be made. You all are leaders in the Balto community, and now it is time to accept your responseablity. Balto is supose to unite us, but now we are being divided over the thing we love. If our leaders become divided, then so does the rest of the Balto community. I so not want to see that happen. So now it is time to drop the insults, the fighting, and any stupid war and mend this broken friendship. Now is the time to prove youself's worthy of being called leaders. If you can't handle that, then step down. I now plead you to find a resolution, for the good of the community. Steet, Vesta, and Fluke, please do the right thing. We need all of you to work togeather. Please, fix this before the curtin of torn in two.

I am Fluke for those who don't know. I hear what you are saying Jazzy and respect it but I am the one being insulted for an opinion, I happily invite anyone to view my words at TIB and see where I threw the insults. If my words are actually read you will see that I was attacked for having my opinion. I was attacked as I didn't say anything earlier, I was accused of wanting Balto die.

I was also told that I could not be a friend of *someone* because I had that opinion which they had decided I had in the first place, an opinion that I never had! I'm sorry but if it was a different situation and someone told me I could not be a friend for some other reason it would be called bigotry or racism etc.

I came here because I was made an enemy of the Balto community (of this board anyway) and being ripped into, even my LiveJournal, I came here in peace and you have all witnessed how Steet has talked to me.

Well, to be honest, I am not an enemy of anyone involved in this. I'm just gonna be netrual so I won't take any part of this. But I do agree with Jazzy. Steet, Fluke, Vesta (she's not here but if she does come here and see this), you guys have to resolve this problem.

You guys know what you need to do is just drop this argument and well grow up, I honestly don't understand how any of you can't see that no one is going to drop there point of view, they really don't have to. But you people really need to stop beating the horse since its dead already.

Sorry to continue but I think we still have some things to clear up. I hope that it will be my final message on this subject.

About your livejournal, don't worry, I haven't been spending my time reading it; I never cared about your activites, either; I just did lately, since you did the same with my website, and my forums. And your Balto RIP petition doesn't sound like a joke, on your livejournal.

About Vesta, when I said you never contradict her, it was for TIB only. I don't know anything about your real life, or even computer life, and I surely don't want to - but you've got to admit that on TIB, you agree not only with her opinion but with the attacks she threw. Or you would have replied to her attacks. Someone who doesn't contradict is someone who agree. After all, you're a mod too, and you should have prevented her for being so aggressive towards our opinions. You didn't even asked her to calm down. I wouldn't have mind if you would have said that to me, as long as you would have said that to her. This could have prevented this war.


No, that's wrong, or I would have realized a lot of things before that war happened. If I did, I would have never wished an happy birthday to you, for example.



And you did say that you never cared about me being a friend of you. That's not a nice thing to say, either.

And no, you're not as blank as you pretend to be in that war. I may have threw insults to you, but I also apologized to you, which you never did to me, and you didn't care at all about my apology. If you have this attitude towards other people, then you surely must often start wars, because it's not respectful to someone to say you don't care about whatever he's saying, especially when it deals with apology.

Let's just put it that way : we are just too much different.

If I made a website, the very first reason was and still is, to get more people to know Balto. Why do I have this thought? Because I would have really liked if someone told me about it, earlier than having to wait 10 years to discover it.
And you're the opposite. You said that you made this website for yourself only. Again, you said : "I don't care if no one else discovers Balto, it isn't my concern". It's the point that shows we are the total opposite, and I know this war would have come out one day or another.

The other reason I made this website, is to actual Balto fans to have a link to the film(s). To offer them a place to talk, make commentaries, debates etc...Like any fan site. Imagine that there are no Balto websites, who will remember about it?
That's something we are also different : you want Universal to stop making anything, because you fear for yourself that they could destroy it. I, for myself, know that the sequels have made more Balto fans, or at least helped some people to remind about the original Balto. And nearly no one who was fan of the original has lost interest in Balto for that reason. I just want more things like that to happen, and you don't. If you don't want a video game or such, it's not so much a problem, you're not the only one. But think about all the others who want one. 80% according to a poll on my site. Oh yes, I forgot, you said you don't care about the others. I'm even against a TV series, but some people would want one, so I had no reason not to add that to the list of examples. Do you really think the merchandises of TLK destroyed it? I feel that it's all the opposite.

I still don't really know where came out that idea that I was "so proud of myself"...But yes, I think I can be proud of my website, which probably represent the only real good thing I've done in my life (and I'm not kidding). In one year, my life on the web has become much more interesting than my real life, and I believe that's another point where we are completly different. And with Vesta, you just didn't respect that.

Your making it up as you go along! You know Steet you are showing yourself up more and more with every post you make even on your own forum infront of your friends. I hope people see you for what you are, a nasty piece of work. You will not let go, every post you make you get worse in.



"We" have some things to clear up, no we don't you do. Your the only one going on and on continuously, give it up. And your not sorry at all, your doing your best to argue, I am simply offering my defense.

Your just picking now, I am very glad you don't care about my activities because after this I honestly want nothing to do with you, sorry you didn't enjoy my Balto petition joke, but then I didn't make that joke for you to laugh at, I made it for everyone else.



Sorry but I can't find where I said I didn't care about you being a friend of mine, so can't comment there.



No I am realistic and understand that I have a life to build and a career to find, to me that is more important than people seeing Balto. I have worked with real wolves and I mush real huskies, that is more exciting than a cartoon one. The only reason this "war" came out was because you jumped on me for having an opinion different to your own! Again I never insulted you, what are you going on about? This war wouldn't have happened from my side but with your nature, it was obviously waiting to come out from your side. Can I ask why? Is it because you didn't have the support of the larger websites? Isi t because you didn't have the support of some poeple? Is it because you aren't because you aren't taken seriously? There must be a reason why you should want to condem people such as myself.



OK about me being blank there.. umm you say I didn't appologise to you even though I think we have already established that I did not insult you. You threw random insults towards me and my life and you think I should appologise to you just because you did me? Actually you appologised for what you put on your site ages and ages ago, you didn't appologise for your actions and insulting me to my face.



I didn't say it did.. and Balto HAS merchandise, most people have been to my website so the proof is right there.



I didn't say that either..



Umm firstly perhaps you should get out more, second I have no idea where your getting this from. You disrespect my life openly infront of everyone and you try to turn it round on me?? I haven't made fun of your life, I have just suggested as words of encouragement that you should perhaps go outside more. And no not true, actually there was a time when I did spend a little too much time on the internet playing websites, but then I discovered outside and got a job.

I'm not going to comment on your paragraphs about my views on stopping the sequels etc, simply because your repeating yourself and I would be repeating myself, the only extra point I could give is that to me it isn't Balto, Balto is Kevin Bacon, Balto has no singing etc, but that discussion is over now and I am not going to help you dig it up, I have stated my points and am done with it.

Neither am I going to comment on motives of creating websites because you seem to think I am a bad person because my website is my hobby and I enjoy it. It honestly doesn't matter if I originally made my website because I wanted one or not, it is not relavent, what is relavent is the amount of people who enjoy it and visit it. At the end of the day it is a resourse that is used and enjoyed by all. LOL actually stuff from my site has been used in UK dog magazines, the National Geographic channel and a new book about the serum run being printed in Korea. Before you tell me I am being egotistical I am not, this is the first time I have ever said that it has and am just making a point that my site has become something that isn't just for me.



No someone who doesn't disagree agrees, someone who doesn't contradict is someone who doesn't contradict. Vesta had her reasons and although I cannot agree with the language she chose to post with, she was making a valid point that it probably won't make a difference to Universal. You just jumped straight in guns ablazing as you wanted war as she hasn't agreed with you in the past. She then retaliated and so did everyone else.

People are not always going to agree with you on things you do, you need to realise that.

Now I have to say who here thinks that Steet should drop it? Steet all you do each time you post is try harder to argue, insult and just upset in general, it doesn't work you haven't even addressed any of my actual points, just nitpicked and missquoted/quoted others at me, and just gives me more proof of the sort of person you really are. Infact I take it back, don't go outside more stay in, the world doesn't need people like that running round. History is full of people who have persecuted others for having different opinions, one was called Hitler, another was called Starlin and Fumanchu etc, they are called dictators and were not people I would want to see out on the street.