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Ghost-Unit
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:48 am |
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BaltoTheMagnificent_ wrote: Actually the majority and minority are exactly the same unless you mean the people who are posting if so then you would be correct. No, you are actually very mistaken. If you take the membership as a whole, most of them are probably not going to post/vote here, so it would be an unfair determination for Steet to formulate a decision based on what's here. There is little of the material in question on the site. Which goes to show the membership in general requires no such thing. Please do not take this the wrong way, but could you please add some depth to your posts here?
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:54 pm |
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I voted 'No' for this. I am for the freedom of writing, being a writer myself.
But I will say this, there some areas in some fanfics that are a little too much for even the average teen and young adult to understand. And if a fanfic has a rated system, which all of them do for certain reasons such as a love scene or a little violence and what not there is a message that pops up that says if you're 10 or 13 years or younger, do not read this.
The problem is not the writer who writes stories that has to do with stuff like that but the kids who see the message and therefore ignore it. Do we really want to get rid of something that the writers have worked so hard to create because little kids don't pay attention to the warning messages?
I have read some fanfics that have to do with 'deviant' sex and I see no harm in it. Fanfics such as Catwhohas14tails' 'Buried Secrets' and RTW's 'A Forbidden Love', both stories, of which, I really enjoy. Do I not read them because they contain these elements? No. RTW's story is essential to Balto's universe because he has created an amazing saga that continues where the films left off. But, this isn't about him or his work, this is about the future of Balto and Lion King writing in general.
You can never not have no violence or no clean love scenes in a fanfiction. It doesn't work like that at all, even the heavy stuff, though yes, there has to be some limitations for those.
A story, no matter what it is or who its about, whether its Balto or the Lion King, these things, these Deviant stuff, exists and whether we like it or not, the kids will be exposed to it. It is not the site's fault nor the fanfic writers faults either. Children must be taught that this certain thing is wrong or that this is just a story, that it doesn't happen in real life.
f stuff like this is banned from the site for being 'inappropriate for the kids', then I'm sorry, that's wrong, it's... censorship, in a sense. We'd be screwing up the fanfic section fully, which is something I don't want, even if I wasn't a writer. It's up to the parents to teach their children values, rules and discipline, something they may not do.
Maybe the rules for the fanfics can be tweaked again just a little? But, either way, the message for a PG or PG13 fanfic is there. The kids just don't pay attention.
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:17 pm |
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Brown Wolf wrote: The problem is not the writer who writes stories that has to do with stuff like that but the kids who see the message and therefore ignore it. Do we really want to get rid of something that the writers have worked so hard to create because little kids don't pay attention to the warning messages? It's not getting rid of it. It's called taking it elsewhere. Quote: I have read some fanfics that have to do with 'deviant' sex and I see no harm in it. Fanfics such as Catwhohas14tails' 'Buried Secrets' and RTW's 'A Forbidden Love', both stories, of which, I really enjoy. Do I not read them because they contain these elements? No. RTW's story is essential to Balto's universe because he has created an amazing saga that continues where the films left off. But, this isn't about him or his work, this is about the future of Balto and Lion King writing in general. First off, nothing we as fans write is essential to the Balto universe. Period. It just augments it, turns it either into an expanded universe or an alternate universe. Don't mistake it for being essential to the actual Balto universe. Future of Balto and Lion King writing? Are you shi*ting me? Deviant sexual content is not required for the future of Balto and Lion King fanfiction. Sure, people may write it, but don't think that it IS the future. Quote: A story, no matter what it is or who its about, whether its Balto or the Lion King, these things, these Deviant stuff, exists and whether we like it or not, the kids will be exposed to it. It is not the site's fault nor the fanfic writers faults either. Children must be taught that this certain thing is wrong or that this is just a story, that it doesn't happen in real life. So fanfic writers are no longer responsible for what they write and where they post it? Quote: f stuff like this is banned from the site for being 'inappropriate for the kids', then I'm sorry, that's wrong, it's... censorship, in a sense. We'd be screwing up the fanfic section fully, which is something I don't want, even if I wasn't a writer. It's up to the parents to teach their children values, rules and discipline, something they may not do. We'd be screwing up the fanfic section fully? ... Honestly. Did you even think before you posted that? Pfft. Having no deviant sexual content will screw up the fanfic section fully. That is so laughably idiotic.
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:23 pm |
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Quote: You have a few people voting, and not even that many are telling why they posted. Are you really going to use that as backing? I need to consider everything. And, if such fanfics gets popular, it means there are more visitors interested into them than you think. And from everything I can see, yes, it's really a tie between the two. And I just CAN'T take a decision in such situation. If you want my own opinion : I would prefer to accept them, because I'm also for the freedom of writing to an extent, and because I have read and enjoyed *some* of them (and disliked some others); and at the same time, I would prefer to be able to prevent kids from reading them. Ah, how much I would like to let someone else take the decision for me. I just HATE to take decisions  I will suggest something else. What if I added another little site, specifically for more mature content? Technically, this wouldn't be the same site. I would prefer to stay with this site and filter them here, but if that's the only way, it could be possible.
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:27 pm |
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Quote: f stuff like this is banned from the site for being 'inappropriate for the kids', then I'm sorry, that's wrong, it's... censorship, in a sense. We'd be screwing up the fanfic section fully, which is something I don't want, even if I wasn't a writer. It's up to the parents to teach their children values, rules and discipline, something they may not do. In the first place, like Ghost said, that's bogus. In the second place, The fact about parents is not a point in your favor by any means. Fanfics like this teach people (I've even seen one on this site with the stated goal of doing so) that things like that are OK. I have seen people say, "Oh, incest is just fine" and believe me, they weren't talking about it on a fanfics-only basis. That's what these fics teach people. So really, you're holding your sword by the blade. Again. Steet --> How about the 46-and-growing people against it? This isn't rocket science, you know.
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:31 pm |
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Quote: How about the 46-and-growing people against it? This isn't rocket science, you know. Well, honestly, I believe another petition which would say the exact opposite could get as many signatures...Especially if it's done after I would ban these fanfics.
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:32 pm |
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steet wrote: Quote: You have a few people voting, and not even that many are telling why they posted. Are you really going to use that as backing? I need to consider everything. And, if such fanfics gets popular, it means there are more visitors interested into them than you think. And from everything I can see, yes, it's really a tie between the two. And I just CAN'T take a decision in such situation. Well, I guess that means you're going to wait until there is an obvious prevalence of one side? Quote: If you want my own opinion : I would prefer to accept them, because I'm also for the freedom of writing to an extent, and because I have read and enjoyed *some* of them (and disliked some others); and at the same time, I would prefer to be able to prevent kids from reading them. People should be able to write what they want. I myself, however, am not for the "let's go post up our sex fics and rant about how it's censorship if they are ill-received." Quote: Ah, how much I would like to let someone else take the decision for me. I just HATE to take decisions  Are you asking for help or referring to your inability to make a decision due to how helplessly incompetent you are?
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:36 pm |
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Quote: Are you asking for help or referring to your inability to make a decision due to how helplessly incompetent you are? You choose 
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:41 pm |
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Dingo wrote: I think it's really kind of sad that people who write things like this absolutely insist upon putting them on here. Do you know how many hundreds of other places there are on the internet to put fics like that? Exactly. Look, I don't post out-and-out Christian fanfics, which even most of the hacks pushing this deviant-agenda would be hard-pressed to object to, and I only know of one site where such matters are accepted. So why is it that when thier stuff is accepted virtually everywhere else, these people have to come here?
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Post subject: Re: Deviant-sexual fanfics again : your opinion Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:53 pm |
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steet wrote: Quote: How about the 46-and-growing people against it? This isn't rocket science, you know. Well, honestly, I believe another petition which would say the exact opposite could get as many signatures...Especially if it's done after I would ban these fanfics. Ya wouldn't find a lot of parents on it, pal. I've got parents on mine. DolphinsFriend wrote: One question that has never been answered. WHY? Why have it in your story? Im fine with it if its not too descriptive but explains in a hint or other way, and that it has a good reason to be in that story. Other than that- there is no reason to have it in your story, unless your some pervert who cant find some other way to have the story interesting... There were at some times a whole bunch of gay relationships that were descriptive! DX I have happened to unexpectedly find a story like that- (and go for the X button at the top right corner of the screen) -because it isnt neseccarry, and I dont need to bother reading crap like that. But then a million people start writing such stuff. Kids will learn when they are ready about such stuff, and that their PARENTS decide when. Not some 'fans' on a "kids site" who say sick things are ok. Ok, Ive made my point and people come with the torches and pitchforks.  Exactly.
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