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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:45 am 
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Ok look Sarafina, can we PLEASE stop this before we start a flame war? Clearly, you don't understand what I'm saying. So let's just drop it and in the first place I wasn't even aiming my comments at you.

P.S I still stand by my theory, Scar was Kovu's great uncle or grand-father and nobody can change what I think not even you.


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 Post subject: Re: Why does Kovu looks like Scar?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:16 pm 
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Why does Kovu look like scar? Well to me he looks a little like him.



Because Kovu is really Scar's son.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:23 pm 
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Because Kovu is really Scar's son.
If that was the case then Why did Zira lie to Kovu and say Scar wasn't His Father. Considering that She wanted to make Kovu hate Simba So that Kovu would kill Him. Wouldn't saying Simba killed Your Father inspire more anger in Kovu than saying Simba killed the Lion that accepted You into His Pride?


Here's what REALLY happened: the disney artists went to africa and offered Zira 1000 dollars to lie about Scar being Kovu's father, in order not to offend audiences. (Just kidding :lol: :wink: )


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:52 pm 
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Kovu doesn't look that much like Scar...the body structure isn't the same, Scar was really skinny he lacked in "brute strength" as he said so himself. However, if I recall correctly, Kovu is filled out more and of course Disney would have lines EXPLICITLY stating that Scar isn't his father lol.

What about Kovu's coloring? Well....Kovu's appearance (green eyes, dark fur, black mane, even the scar) is a lot like Scar's, however, let me point out that in Kiara's pride, they were all similarly colored, just like Kovu's family were all similarly colored. Does this mean that Scar is Kovu's father? Not exactly...but related...perhaps. I mean Kiara's family all look alike, not considering the fact that Disney probably didn't want to go through all of the different appearances of lions that were only going to take up a little bit of space on the big screen, does that mean that they're all Simba's children?...not exactly...but related...perhaps. [This argument can actually go either way I realized lol]

Anyway...now we can think about time periods. We all know that Scar was killed by hyenas. However, we have NO idea whatsoever about when Kiara was conceived. We do know that Kiara was about the same age as Kovu so we can speculate that they were born about the same time.

Now let us think for a second about The Lion King: The Six Adventures if you can consider this book, Simba had a son and then he had Kiara, but Scar was killed; therefore, if Kiara and Kovu are the same age, then it is impossible for Scar to be Kovu's father.

An inconsistency however, is evident: If Scar was killed before Kovu was even born and he CHOOSE Kovu to be the heir, the point above is very unlikely. However, one could speculate that Scar perhaps choose the third son from Zira for some odd reason, or he just didn't like Kovu's brother and said that the next son that Zira had would be the heir lol. But anyway, this is open to speculation. Just stimulation for thought :)

[EDIT] ahh i just went back and read Juuchan17's posts and those are also very good points


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Kovu doesn't look that much like Scar...the body structure isn't the same, Scar was really skinny he lacked in "brute strength" as he said so himself. However, if I recall correctly, Kovu is filled out more and of course Disney would have lines EXPLICITLY stating that Scar isn't his father lol.

What about Kovu's coloring? Well....Kovu's appearance (green eyes, dark fur, black mane, even the scar) is a lot like Scar's, however, let me point out that in Kiara's pride, they were all similarly colored, just like Kovu's family were all similarly colored. Does this mean that Scar is Kovu's father? Not exactly...but related...perhaps. I mean Kiara's family all look alike, not considering the fact that Disney probably didn't want to go through all of the different appearances of lions that were only going to take up a little bit of space on the big screen, does that mean that they're all Simba's children?...not exactly...but related...perhaps. [This argument can actually go either way I realized lol]

Anyway...now we can think about time periods. We all know that Scar was killed by hyenas. However, we have NO idea whatsoever about when Kiara was conceived. We do know that Kiara was about the same age as Kovu so we can speculate that they were born about the same time.

Now let us think for a second about The Lion King: The Six Adventures if you can consider this book, Simba had a son and then he had Kiara, but Scar was killed; therefore, if Kiara and Kovu are the same age, then it is impossible for Scar to be Kovu's father.

An inconsistency however, is evident: If Scar was killed before Kovu was even born and he CHOOSE Kovu to be the heir, the point above is very unlikely. However, one could speculate that Scar perhaps choose the third son from Zira for some odd reason, or he just didn't like Kovu's brother and said that the next son that Zira had would be the heir lol. But anyway, this is open to speculation. Just stimulation for thought :)

[EDIT] ahh i just went back and read Juuchan17's posts and those are also very good points


Kovu was not Kiara's age, regardless of their being the same size. Remember in the movie whare Zira said that Kovu was hand-chosen by Scar? Then he had to be many months older than Kiara. Notice how Kovu was starting to lose the black around his ears? He was probably just about to have his growth spurt.


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I did point out that inconsistency because Scar apparently hand chose Kovu; however, I would like to know more about how you extrapolated Kovu's age :) I'll try and see if I can rent the DVD version of it (haven't seen it in a while).

Anyway, if you would take the assumption that the Six Adventures could be valid, then it would be impossible for Scar to be Kovu's father IF Kiara and Kovu are the exact same age. And I do realize that you said that Kovu was about to get his growth spurt, but what about Kiara? How do we know that she wasn't about to have her share of a spurt herself :) (As of now I don't have the movie so I can't use it to see the point about the ears; only pictures on google)


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I did point out that inconsistency because Scar apparently hand chose Kovu; however, I would like to know more about how you extrapolated Kovu's age :) I'll try and see if I can rent the DVD version of it (haven't seen it in a while).

Anyway, if you would take the assumption that the Six Adventures could be valid, then it would be impossible for Scar to be Kovu's father IF Kiara and Kovu are the exact same age. And I do realize that you said that Kovu was about to get his growth spurt, but what about Kiara? How do we know that she wasn't about to have her share of a spurt herself :) (As of now I don't have the movie so I can't use it to see the point about the ears; only pictures on google)


Cause Kovu was born before Simba came back to Pride Rock. Simba didn't have Kiara until after he became king. Plus, girl cubs don't have black around their ears.


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Cause Kovu was born before Simba came back to Pride Rock. Simba didn't have Kiara until after he became king. Plus, girl cubs don't have black around their ears.


You know what :P before i make myself look like an idiot...i'm going to watch the second movie again lol

(Zeldaholic --- I went to B&N today and found a kid's book named "The Lion King"; however, it didn't say that Nala and Simba were cousins, but just "best friends"; i'll see if i can dig up more info about that book of yours :P)


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I think that Kovu is Scar's son. Who else could his father be? :?


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And it wouldn't be the best of plot-devices is Scar wasn't Kovu's father. I mean, a strange lion showing up in the time-span between TLK 1 (end) and TLK 2 (prologue) and leaving again (or passing away without being ever mentioned again, now that would be a bit harsh) before the second movie commences? Sounds deus ex machina to me.

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And it wouldn't be the best of plot-devices is Scar wasn't Kovu's father. I mean, a strange lion showing up in the time-span between TLK 1 (end) and TLK 2 (prologue) and leaving again (or passing away without being ever mentioned again, now that would be a bit harsh) before the second movie commences? Sounds deus ex machina to me.


Precisely.


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I think that Kovu is Scar's son. Who else could his father be? :?


Actually, it mentions in the movie that Kovu isn't Scar's son. (which is kind of weird for a Disney movie) personally, I think Disney didn't put that much thought into that part of the movie, they just decided to say that Kovu wasn't Scar's son... it's just an animated sequel without much thought put into it. (though it's much better thought out than some sequels)

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I think that Kovu is Scar's son. Who else could his father be? :?


Actually, it mentions in the movie that Kovu isn't Scar's son. (which is kind of weird for a Disney movie) personally, I think Disney didn't put that much thought into that part of the movie, they just decided to say that Kovu wasn't Scar's son... it's just an animated sequel without much thought put into it. (though it's much better thought out than some sequels)


Just because they say that doesn't conclude the possibility that Kovu is Scar's son. I'm NOT arguing, I'm just pointing it out, so no flaming on me please :wink:


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I'm not flaming you! I'm sorry if I came off that way :oops: What do you mean when you say that it's still a possibility?

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