Humans are animals too...

Finnish Fox · **Posted:** Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:55 pm

While we're on Evolution, my most favorite debate of all time, I'll put in a few words.
Evolution is a scientific theory, not a scientific fact. that means that it is an idea supported by facts such as fossils and genetic records.
Gravity is also a scientific theory, not a fact. you cannot see gravity but its effects can be seen and tested.
See, in science nothing is ever "fact", it can only be tested with results ending one way or the other.
Religion of any sort is not science because there is no way to observe it. Christianity has just as much bearing on the creation of the world as Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and the latter of the two is by far tastier.
It must also be noted that one can be religious and believe in evolution.

if you want to see a funny video about evolution with Ken Miller and Steven Colbert, click here.

sunkissin · **Posted:** Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:11 pm

Fox wrote:

Lunawings wrote:

Adam and Eve are the answer (sorry if this offends you but the evolotion thing kinda offends me to so) I could tell you the truth about where we came from. And evolotion is just a guess, sure there was a little bit of proof but God and The Bible has much more proof then that. Yes I know that monkeys and humans are pretty simlar but that's just how they are. Racoons have hands too does that make them like monkeys? Cats have wiskers and walk and all fours, Dog have wiskers and walk on all fours. Now does that make the dog evolved from the cat? No it doesn't, they are just simliar looking. Think about all those "missing links" They where all false. That's because there is no missing link, it's just me and the monkey.
I didn't say this so I could fight. I was just stating my own opinen as you are. I didn't put eye rolling expressions or a mad face I just said what I tought about it. Like you are doing.

I'm sorry to tell you that the Adam and Eve thingy is not possible.

if adam and Eve would have children, they would need to have children as well... and that would be INCEST. And after some generations all their children would be ill.

Proof: It is a FACT (and it sadly happens) that humans babys are sick, if they are "made" (dunno the right word and don't know where my directionary is) are sick. If you don't belive me, go and search in the internet, ask doctors, do whatever you want.

I completely agree.

If we all have a super-great gradma nd grandpa, then we would all be siblings. And incestory can give you serious diseases. But we don't have incestory diseases, so we can't all be related. We used to be apes, it has been scientifically proved.

Just stating my opinion :wink:

Finnish Fox · **Posted:** Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:07 pm

most of the people in europre can be traced back to 7 women known as the seven daughters of Eve.

also, inbreeding can lead to increased damaging mutations, but as every biologist knows, the more mutations the more likelyhood of one beneficial mutation. therefor it is theoretically possible for 2 hominids to have bread the human race, but it would have scrambled our DNA so much that the chances of them being the same species as us would be very slim over a few thousand years; not to mention that there would be thousands if not millions of failed mutations.

Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:23 pm

Humans are mammles......god created adam and eve.

sunkissin · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:45 pm

KakashiGirl wrote:

Many ppl don't want to belive in Cavemen and our ape cousins because they strongly belive in Adam and Eve, myself I belive in Cavemens and our old ape cousins not Adem and Eve. We're just very smart lazy weak animals. They found Ice man with skin still on him that's proof enough for me that we're just evolved apes.(That's what I think)

I agree with you 100%

If we did come from a man and woman, then we'd all be...related

And that's serious incest

Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:59 pm

ummm..ok i got a question for ya..if you so strongly believe we are apes :roll:

Then why dont you see apes turning into humans still?We did not generate from apes....

Panama_WhiteWolf · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:53 pm

we are not apes and i will never believe we are i think that is totaly ridiculas and dumb.So what if we look like them dosent mean we are.And they said they found fosils guess what it wasent a ape/human it was a hog.Never mind i dont want to start a fight im not even going to bother to post in here any more....we have different oppiniens

Finnish Fox · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:08 pm

Panama_WhiteWolf wrote:

ummm..ok i got a question for ya..if you so strongly believe we are apes :roll:

Then why dont you see apes turning into humans still?We did not generate from apes....

The reason we do not have monkeys turning into humans is because of two things:
Evolution is not fast. species change really really slowly, like a few thousand years to get small changes. The concept of evolution is only about 200 years old, and human documentation of the natual world is only about 4000 years old. this is by far not enough time to see changes. If you don't want to wait a few tens of thousands of years, you can look at the fossil record. Specimens such as Australopithecus, Homo Habilus and Homo Erectus.

The other reason is that there is necessity. Organisms do not will changes upon them. Evolution is a lot of small changes over time as a responce to stimulus. The process of evolution is is accelerated in times of necessity; a species must addapt or die off. as of now, the theats faced by apes are too great and too fast for them to overcome with evolution.

Tibbeh · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:34 pm

Panama_WhiteWolf wrote:

we are not apes and i will never believe we are i think that is totaly ridiculas and dumb.So what if we look like them dosent mean we are.And they said they found fosils guess what it wasent a ape/human it was a hog.

Yes! I fully agree. We were NEVER apes. Who cares if we look similar to them?

Quote:

If we did come from a man and woman, then we'd all be...related

In one way or another, everyone IS related.

Fox · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:16 pm

tibb_wolf wrote:

In one way or another, everyone IS related.

Okay, then there would be ONLY inces, but incest was dammed by god. So there cant be something right.

And if we were not apes, the tell me: where are all the Homo Erectus etc? They can't just vanish to nothing. And these few (there are not many skeletons of them, nowadays) just shows that we HAVE to be related to them.

/Edit: Ohhh there is an other thing:
Eve was made by god out of a rib, so both of them had the same DNA (or is it DNS?) Whatever. Well, if they have the SAME DNA (or DNS, whatever it is) the deseases would be way stronger than normal. (the dobule chance that they break out at the first child)

Tibbeh · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:58 pm

Fox wrote:

tibb_wolf wrote:

In one way or another, everyone IS related.

Okay, then there would be ONLY inces, but incest was dammed by god. So there cant be something right.

And if we were not apes, the tell me: where are all the Homo Erectus etc? They can't just vanish to nothing. And these few (there are not many skeletons of them, nowadays) just shows that we HAVE to be related to them.

/Edit: Ohhh there is an other thing:
Eve was made by god out of a rib, so both of them had the same DNA (or is it DNS?) Whatever. Well, if they have the SAME DNA (or DNS, whatever it is) the deseases would be way stronger than normal. (the dobule chance that they break out at the first child)

1, I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer

and

2, I'm sick of how you all imediently try to prove people who don't believe that same thing as you wrong. Everyone can have a different belief on how people got here!! Not everyone has to think we came from apes, which we most likely didn't! :roll:

Finnish Fox · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:29 pm

To all those whoe are pushing the incest thing. Stop with the incest thing, please. all humans share 99.9% DNA with another, and genetic mutations happen because of it, get used to it.

and to all those who feel they're being prosecuted, all I can say is: "You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts."
as far as I can tell, religion is an opinion, so is a decision based without evidence.

Kovu · **Posted:** Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:34 am

Fox wrote:

Eve was made by god out of a rib, so both of them had the same DNA (or is it DNS?) Whatever. Well, if they have the SAME DNA (or DNS, whatever it is) the deseases would be way stronger than normal. (the dobule chance that they break out at the first child)

DNA and DNS are the same. Just that one term is in english, and the other in german

:

DNA = Deoxyribonucleic Acid
DNS = Desoxyribonukleinsäure

About Eve being made out of one of Adam's rib, wouldn't that also mean that all men are missing a rib today?

tibb_wolf wrote:

2, I'm sick of how you all imediently try to prove people who don't believe that same thing as you wrong.

Actually, my world view isn't a belief. In a belief you simply accept a statement as factual some random person made once. However - in science - in science you generally deny the reliability of people and trust in evidence, given by experiments or investigations of "phenomenons". This means that you can at any time prove or falsificate a theory, and rely on the results of it. So, instead of just accepting a statement, you get to see WHY someone comes to a conclusion - by reasonable logic.

tibb_wolf wrote:

Not everyone has to think we came from apes, which we most likely didn't! :roll:

There's no tangible base for that statement.

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