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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:58 am |
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BaltoSeppala wrote: Well, if you ask me, my personal opinion is that the storyline in Balto 1 made almost everything about what REALLY happened in the Great Serum Run "pure garbage". Where's Togo and Fritz? How could one team cover a round trip of 674 miles (between Nenana and Nome)??
You know what? I goofed on that distance thing. The round trip would have been 1348 miles! One-way it was 674 miles! So, as you can see, no team could have covered that distance...certainly not in the time allotted and needed given the nature of the emergency!
Sorry gang...I was doing this while at work...had to even tweak my posts a few times (as you can see). And then I goofed in this quote. DOH! 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:57 pm |
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catwhohas14tails wrote: Well, anybody wanting to know the true distance the dogs covered for the serum run, would surely by then know that (parts of) Balto1 were fictional. Kids couldn't care less 
I'm sure that's true. But then, to turn things around on you, folks like yourself have railed about how the sequels have lousy storylines, that don't meet with your expectations. Do young kids really care about that either? Nope. Probably not. And again, the target audience of the Balto cartoons was kids. Not pre-teens, teenagers or adults.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:59 pm |
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That may be so, but I have encountered plenty of kids who said that they didnt like the magic in it (which made up 98% of the movie) I havent really asked any about the third movie, but I do know that much about WQ. I try to be very accepting when it comes to kids movies, and I usually am, but it just didn't happen with WQ, I hated it that much. Even *I* wouldn't force that movie on my kids.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:03 pm |
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I showed all three movies to my brother and his friends, who are all kids, and none of them liked WQ much at all and they were'nt too fond of WoC either but B1 was a hit with 'em, I asked my bro later why he did'nt like them and he said he hated the magic and the songs in WQ and he did'nt like the plane story in WoC.
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SilverDeni
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:06 am |
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Well my friends and I watched Wolf Quest.But seems that they din't liked the magic at all,I think it's a little way dum seeing a Balto runing after a raven?Or a Fox who can tel Balto where aleu was?Or wolverines?
I don't know but for me the most boringest part is the part when they meet Nava and his pack ta that part I start yawning.
Wings of Change was good,a one step from WQ,but the best part mostly I liked is the "You don't have to be a hero song" but the Kodi's attitude of beeing goody goody wasn't that lol,most parts were a little boring.Stella's appereamnce was a fishstake,like useless.But in most parts is running Stella-Boris then Balto's appereance.
I say I hate WQ too.
Balto one was better then the sequels,because were very good animators,a good director,and the story was based on reality,like it happened.That determinates people to watch it.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:11 am |
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catwhohas14tails wrote: Even *I* wouldn't force that movie on my kids.
LOL! Good one, Cat. Heh heh...
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:17 am |
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Silver Deni wrote: Wings of Change was good,a one step from WQ,but the best part mostly I liked is the "You don't have to be a hero song" but the Kodi's attitude of beeing goody goody wasn't that lol,most parts were a little boring.Stella's appereamnce was a fishstake,like useless.But in most parts is running Stella-Boris then Balto's appereance. I say I hate WQ too.
Balto one was better then the sequels,because were very good animators,a good director,and the story was based on reality,like it happened.That determinates people to watch it.
I agree, Silver. Wings of Change was a great sequel! I must agree with everyone else...I really didn't care for Wolf Quest much. But I don't HATE it. I see some good basic elements in it.
The idea of planes replacing dog sled teams for carrying cargo, at least during the warmer months, is historically-plausible (note to Whitewolf). Though a dog team beating a bush plane? Almost impossible. And it is unlikely a bush pilot would have risked flying until the conditions were just right in the region.
However, I still somewhat disagree about Balto 1 in some respects. While the animation style was very good (more in line with Don Bluth, I think, than Disney...just look at the original Land Before Time, or The Secret of NIMH). However, I think the animators and artists did a LOUSY job of animating the background dogs. They made them excessively fat and, as I have said elsewhere, real working huskies are NOT fat. Not at all! In fact, they are rather thinner, even than huskies on the conformation and show circuit, or which are just kept as pets.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:03 am |
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BaltoSeppala wrote: 2. Once in Seattle, they were met by Hollywood producer Sol Lesser, who was eager to make a few short-subject movies about the team at the time (a common form of the day...like those of the comedy teams of the day, such as Laurel & Hardy and Charlie Chaplin). Lesser had his production team with him, and they apparently did some stock footage of the team in the snow-covered mountains of Washington state. They were then whisked, in style, down to Hollywood, where more footage was shot, based on scripts developed for the short subjects. Gunnar Kaasen and his wife were given a room at the posh Biltmore Hotel in Los Angeles, and so was Balto! The rest of the team were kept in a kennel on the lot where Lesser worked. Here is a link, from Internet Movie Database, of the short-subject movies Balto (and probably the team) appeared in (the dates may be the result of either mistakes in research, or else that the movies were not released until a couple of years later...as the team was in the U.S. in 1925): http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1023926. 
It's interesting to note that two famous Hollywood actors at the time appeared in some of the shorts that Balto was in. One was Vernon Dent, who is best known as a supporting player in many of the Three Stooges shorts of the 30s, 40s and 50s, and in some episodes of "I Love Lucy" ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0219783). The other was diva Carole Lombard, who had an impressive film career, until she died in a plane crash in 1942, at the age of 33 ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001479)...though she was uncredited in at least one of the Balto shorts.
So Balto acted with some TALENT back in the day! 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:38 am |
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BaltoSeppala wrote: 6. The team begins to encounter trouble as the "steam" of the trip is starting to run out, and money is becoming a problem. As they work their way back out west, Kaasen is contacted by Seppala (probably by wire) to return to Nome. Kaasen leaves the team in the hands of what are probably assistants of his and Seppala's. Now, doubt exists about what will become of them. More vaudeville fills their travels.
7. An offer is made, by the owner of a "dime-a-look" museum store in Los Angeles. Seppala is contacted by wire, and agrees to sell the team. They then enter a dark period in their U.S. experience. By now, it's early 1926, and they would spend three sad months confined in the museum, in a dark, poorly-lit, hot musty room. A small sign on the street, in front of the museum, advertised their presence, but the museum received few visitors (such museums were becoming a worn-out fad by this time). The dogs languished with little exercise and chance to be outside, for three months.
8. George Kimble, a Cleveland, Ohio businessman, is in Los Angeles on a business trip, and chances upon the dime-a-look museum while walking down the street. He sees the sign, and remembers the press coverage off Balto's part in the Serum Run. Curious, he goes in, pays the fee, and encounters the dogs...still harnessed to their sled, laying in a despondent state in the dark room. Taking pity on them, he confronts the owner of the museum about it, but doesn't have much success. The owner complains about them not having produced the kind of profits he'd hoped for...and is thinking he'd be glad to be rid of them, that it was a mistake to ever buy them in the first place. Kimble, sensing a chance, offers to buy the team with what money he can immediately muster. The museum owner wants $2000.00. Kimble doesn't have that money on hand, or easily-accessible...but plans to raise it, and says he will purchase the team if the museum owner will only give him time. The museum owner probably makes a claim of other interested buyers, but does tell Kimble that he only has a short time before he will take other steps to sell or be rid of the team.
9. Kimble wires his contacts in the Cleveland news corps (the press) abou the situation, and asks for help in announcing the dogs' plight, and asking for donations to save them from a terrible fate. The story goes out, and immediately, other news agencies across the country get hold of it, and spread the news. A remarkable response is created, as money is donated by families and children from all over the U.S. to save Balto and his team.
10. Kimble manages to raise the $2000.00 just in the nick of time, and takes possession of the team. They are taken to a secure location outside of Los Angeles where they are bathed, cleaned up, fed and cared for for a short time. Then, they are sent by rail to Cleveland.
11. In Cleveland, a home is prepared for them at the Brookside Zoo (now the Cleveland Metroparks Zoo). A brand-new semi-circular enclosure is built for them, and preparations are made to receive the team. But first, a grand parade and picnic celebration are held, and the team is marched down the Cleveland city streets as heroes. The mayor of Cleveland makes a speech at the end of the parade, which features a now-famous and oft-quoted line..."the dog is man's best friend".
12. The team is then transported to the Brookside Zoo, where they are placed in their enclosure, and are visited by thousands of citizens eager to catch a glimpse of Balto especially, and to pet the dogs. It goes on for some weeks.
My subsequent research leads me to conclude two things which amend the information I posted earlier:
1. The team was sold to the dime-a-look museum owner either in late 1926, or very early 1927...and stayed in his museum in the mid to late winter of that year (1927). It was during the late winter and spring of 1927 that the rescue of the team and their move to Cleveland occurred.
2. It would appear that the Norwegian explorer, Roald Amundsen (a friend of Leonhard Seppala's) had a hand in convincing Gunnar Kaasen to return to Alaska (again, most likely at Seppala's request). I found a reference indicating that Seppala wanted to get more attention focused on his own trip, with Togo's team, to the U.S., and so asked Amundsen to talk with Kaasen while he was still in New York, to explain to him that his boss (Seppala) wanted him to return to Alaska...
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:16 am |
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So basically as you can tell, people (kids included) only bought Balto2 because they THOUGHT it was going to be good, hence why not as many people bought Balto3.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:38 am |
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catwhohas14tails wrote: So basically as you can tell, people (kids included) only bought Balto2 because they THOUGHT it was going to be good, hence why not as many people bought Balto3.
Ooooooh...sometimes you can be so...so... EVIL! Bad Cat! Baaaad! 
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SilverDeni
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:12 pm |
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I seriously AM sorry that I bought Wolf Quest!!
When I watched first time,and I had afeeling like..No...Not very good,I don't liek the Muru thing,And I told my mom that was "wow fanastic"...I will return this what I said,because is whole piece of crapp.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:33 am |
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Well, I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with your liking Balto 2, Torchwood! It's not the TRASH that some people here make it out to be. And it would be stupid for people to criticize you for liking it! Of course, there are some very acerbic people around here...
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