Living pterodactyls

Jake Razor · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:47 am

whitewolf17 wrote:

I'm not saying they can't I'm just saying that they are not mammals and even ya have to find it hard to believe that nobody has found any eggs, or bodies or whatever. Also, this is the last big point I will make about them before I go back to pterodactyls:

What would prey on them? Every creature needs something to keep it's population in check and there is nothing in Loch Ness that would be able to be considered a predator or threat to them.

Orca whales eat just about everything and have no natural predators, yet their numbers stay in the right proportion. If one followed the reasoning that everything has to be eaten by somethng, the food chain would have no top, no dominant predator. And yet they all do.

Godzillawolf · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:57 am

whitewolf17 wrote:

Godzillawolf wrote:

There is another possiblity. Lochness has high concentrations of certain types of mosses, theses in turn feed many micro creatures, plankton for example, so it is entirely possible the creature adapted to be a filter feeder and feeds on the abondent plankton, and before you say that could support one, Humpback Whales are filter feeders. Even more, the creature could of became an omnivore and feeds directly on the moss and there have been sightings of the Lochness Monster on land, it is possible they come out of the lake at night to feed in the forested areas around the Loch. Also, there are thosands of miles of tunnels under the lake, many with air pockets they could hide in and possibly live in, there's no way to search theses tunnels completely, even draining the Loch wouldn't work, they'd still be able to hide in theses places.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/ozfossil/ ... osaurs.htm

How did they breed?
Like turtles, they probably came ashore to lay eggs on sandy beaches.
No nests have ever been found, but if they laid eggs, they had to lay them on land. There is no evidence at all that plesiosaurs gave birth to live young in the water.

Did they dive deep?
Probably not. Plesiosaurs are found in shallow seas and even freshwater lakes. They were able to dive down, but they fed near the surface and had no need to go deep. Being reptiles, they had to breathe air, so there would have to be a good reason for them to leave the surface for a long time.

Did they stick their heads up out of the water?
They would have been capable of doing this, but again there seems to be no good reason why they should. They could do it to see if they were close to land, but we just don’t know if their vision allowed them to see in this way. Rival males could have fought each other with their necks and both sexes might have courted each other with their heads out of the water.

So based on all that info, people would have had to have found their eggs or nests on land. Also, they would swim at the surface so I think people would have eventually had better luck of seeing one. Lastly, they had to stay near the surface so using all the caves and staying at the bottom would have been a big no-no. I think I just blew your theory out of the water now so lets get back on topic(pterodactyls)

Did anyone watch the video?

For one thing, theses creatures, scientists believe, were trapped in the Loch millions of years ago. What Plesiosaurs were like during the current fossil record could have changed greatly in that span of time. Lochness is a fresh water echosystem, Plesiosaurs lived in salt water but because they weren't fish, and thus didn't breath the water, they could adapt. Think about it, fish congragrate in coral reefs and rock formations for safety, so likely the tunnels have more fish than the rest of the Loch, and by extention would attract a fish eater like a Plesiosaur, it would make perfect sense for them to go into the tunnels and there is proof of air pockets in the tunnels, they don't need to surface in the Loch. There are places in the tunnels were they could come out of the water and lay there eggs, not a big stretch when one considers that its much safer than laying them on land due to no land animal living there. And Plesiosaurs have been proven to swellow rock to stay underwater, thus if one with a stomach full of rocks died, it would sink to the bottom and the body would likely be covered in decayed moss. And there is a reason to stick their heads out of the water, to assist them in a dive, they might useaully surface in the under water caves but if they have to surface, they could raise their heads out of the water in preperation to dive. And they would have a predator, possibly, and a food source, other members of their own species, older adults, likely male, eating the younger ones, happens all the time in nature, heck the first thing most sharks try to do is eat their young. And in a way, this isn't off topic because figuring how one prehistoric reptile could still exist might help make theories for another.

About the video, my computer can't play video.

Wingrunner · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:00 am

Godzillawolf wrote:

whitewolf17 wrote:

Godzillawolf wrote:

There is another possiblity. Lochness has high concentrations of certain types of mosses, theses in turn feed many micro creatures, plankton for example, so it is entirely possible the creature adapted to be a filter feeder and feeds on the abondent plankton, and before you say that could support one, Humpback Whales are filter feeders. Even more, the creature could of became an omnivore and feeds directly on the moss and there have been sightings of the Lochness Monster on land, it is possible they come out of the lake at night to feed in the forested areas around the Loch. Also, there are thosands of miles of tunnels under the lake, many with air pockets they could hide in and possibly live in, there's no way to search theses tunnels completely, even draining the Loch wouldn't work, they'd still be able to hide in theses places.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/ozfossil/ ... osaurs.htm

How did they breed?
Like turtles, they probably came ashore to lay eggs on sandy beaches.
No nests have ever been found, but if they laid eggs, they had to lay them on land. There is no evidence at all that plesiosaurs gave birth to live young in the water.

Did they dive deep?
Probably not. Plesiosaurs are found in shallow seas and even freshwater lakes. They were able to dive down, but they fed near the surface and had no need to go deep. Being reptiles, they had to breathe air, so there would have to be a good reason for them to leave the surface for a long time.

Did they stick their heads up out of the water?
They would have been capable of doing this, but again there seems to be no good reason why they should. They could do it to see if they were close to land, but we just don’t know if their vision allowed them to see in this way. Rival males could have fought each other with their necks and both sexes might have courted each other with their heads out of the water.

So based on all that info, people would have had to have found their eggs or nests on land. Also, they would swim at the surface so I think people would have eventually had better luck of seeing one. Lastly, they had to stay near the surface so using all the caves and staying at the bottom would have been a big no-no. I think I just blew your theory out of the water now so lets get back on topic(pterodactyls)

Did anyone watch the video?

For one thing, theses creatures, scientists believe, were trapped in the Loch millions of years ago. What Plesiosaurs were like during the current fossil record could have changed greatly in that span of time. Lochness is a fresh water echosystem, Plesiosaurs lived in salt water but because they weren't fish, and thus didn't breath the water, they could adapt. Think about it, fish congragrate in coral reefs and rock formations for safety, so likely the tunnels have more fish than the rest of the Loch, and by extention would attract a fish eater like a Plesiosaur, it would make perfect sense for them to go into the tunnels and there is proof of air pockets in the tunnels, they don't need to surface in the Loch. There are places in the tunnels were they could come out of the water and lay there eggs, not a big stretch when one considers that its much safer than laying them on land due to no land animal living there. And Plesiosaurs have been proven to swellow rock to stay underwater, thus if one with a stomach full of rocks died, it would sink to the bottom and the body would likely be covered in decayed moss. And there is a reason to stick their heads out of the water, to assist them in a dive, they might useaully surface in the under water caves but if they have to surface, they could raise their heads out of the water in preperation to dive. And they would have a predator, possibly, and a food source, other members of their own species, older adults, likely male, eating the younger ones, happens all the time in nature, heck the first thing most sharks try to do is eat their young. And in a way, this isn't off topic because figuring how one prehistoric reptile could still exist might help make theories for another.

About the video, my computer can't play video.

Fine, I'll admit that there is a chance it could be a plesiosaur but I still doubt it. I'm not a sceptic by the way, it's just for them to have survived this long there are too many what-ifs to consider.

Bummer about the video. It's really good and I think anyone who's interested in Pterosaurs would like it.

Jake Razor · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:32 pm

It seems the video comes from a Sci-Fi series, unless I'm much mistaken.

Wingrunner · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:44 pm

Dragon Tamer wrote:

It seems the video comes from a Sci-Fi series, unless I'm much mistaken.

It does indeed. The show is called Destination Truth and I love the show!!

I guess ya watched it then. Did ya like it? I personally loved that episode and I knew it would be perfect for this topic.

Off topic: Sci-fi channel rulez!!!!

Jake Razor · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:47 pm

whitewolf17 wrote:

Dragon Tamer wrote:

It seems the video comes from a Sci-Fi series, unless I'm much mistaken.

It does indeed. The show is called Destination Truth and I love the show!!

I guess ya watched it then. Did ya like it? I personally loved that episode and I knew it would be perfect for this topic.

Off topic: Sci-fi channel rulez!!!!

I watched the start of the first one, but I'm not surehow much stock I'd put in something from a channel that has Fi (as in fiction) right in its name.

Wingrunner · **Posted:** Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:37 am

Dragon Tamer wrote:

I watched the start of the first one, but I'm not surehow much stock I'd put in something from a channel that has Fi (as in fiction) right in its name.

No!!!! It's a really good channel and even if ya don't like most of what's on it this show and this particular episode I posted should be very interesting to ya. I have the utmost respect for the people of Destination Truth because they dare to check out all these myths and legends despite any danger from them or even the possibility of public ridicule.

Also, I know by saying this I'm revealing myself to be a huge sci-fi fan but I love sci-fi channel and I watch almost everything on it(stargate sg-1, stargate atlantis, dresden files, doctor who, torchwood, the sarah jane adventures, destination truth, battlestar galactica, primeval, wolf lake, level nine, enterprise, the next generation, sanctuary, and so many more).

Jake Razor · **Posted:** Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:14 pm

whitewolf17 wrote:

Dragon Tamer wrote:

I watched the start of the first one, but I'm not surehow much stock I'd put in something from a channel that has Fi (as in fiction) right in its name.

No!!!! It's a really good channel and even if ya don't like most of what's on it this show and this particular episode I posted should be very interesting to ya. I have the utmost respect for the people of Destination Truth because they dare to check out all these myths and legends despite any danger from them or even the possibility of public ridicule.

Also, I know by saying this I'm revealing myself to be a huge sci-fi fan but I love sci-fi channel and I watch almost everything on it(stargate sg-1, stargate atlantis, dresden files, doctor who, torchwood, the sarah jane adventures, destination truth, battlestar galactica, primeval, wolf lake, level nine, enterprise, the next generation, sanctuary, and so many more).

Oh, believe me, I know very well what it's like to pursue what you believe in despite ridicule. In fact, sometimes I know a bit too well (PM me if you want details). All I'm saying is that I'd be more inclined to heed something from the Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, or some other channel that's not quite so "Hollywood," if you see what I mean.
At any rate, I can't watch the episodes for the time being because YouTube is prohibited by certain policies of the college I attend.

Baltic132 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:03 pm

Living pterosaurs in Texas:
http://www.livepterosaurs.com/inamerica/in_Texas/

Texas become a hot spot of living pteros sightings, along with Mexico.

Jake Razor · **Posted:** Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:14 am

TheBalticPower wrote:

Living pterosaurs in Texas:
http://www.livepterosaurs.com/inamerica/in_Texas/

Texas become a hot spot of living pteros sightings, along with Mexico.

I've read about cases like that. There have also been accounts going way back that may suggest a link between pterosaurs like Quetzalcoatlus and the thunderbird of Native American legends.

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