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That's Ok Drew, don't have to if ya don't want to.

Ok, so y'all are basically planning a Balto convention (minus the selling of product for personal gain) You all MUST now that in reality, it's not even going to be worth planning. Only like 7 people will go, and it will most likely end up with them A) leaving to find something better to do or B) having a sissy-fight. You all need to think realistically how this is going to work out. It's not.

Even so. This "meeting" could end badly, and Im sure the older people MUST have thought about it. If not, then you're dense for even wanting to go through with this. In case you haven't realized, those not going are SMART for it. I dont care if they say they cant afford it, they are fricken smart for not going. And those going (who i think are already disturbed) best have parents go with them, you're not adults. For the most part, you're all kids who don't know any better.

BaltoSepalla, you yourself said that this was rather "ominous" did you not? Why are you all of a sudden going along with this? Its mighty suspicious. You're 30-something years old. I dont care how "decent" you appear to be, or how much about Balto you "know," you're still on my list.

I just can't even believe that Balto is being taken this seriously. You can't take being a Balto fan this seriously. That's like taking Paris Hilton seriously when she says she's never starred in porn before. How can you? I dunno, Im obviously failing to see this godlike being that is Balto.

But you know what? Im just gonna quit while Im ahead. Go ahead and flame me, I'm gonna end up feeling sorry for looking out for the well-being of you kids. But what do I know? I'm just a bitch who goes around accusing and insult people for no reason whatsoever And just to make my point, I'm not going to this little "meeting."

Now, Cat...have I given you any reason to attack me like that? In fact, my first post in this thread was a stated concern over the welfare of minors. I also indicated that I would take part given the presence of other adults and parents. That, if it were going to be a "minors-only" thing, that I would rather back away. And I've said that privately to some of the organizers. Still, they've encouraged me to attend, and assured me of parental involvement.

And that's because they believe I have something of value to offer. The furtherance of education about the real history. And, like any other adults here, as well as minors, I too am a fan of the Balto cartoons.

I don't understand this acerbic, egocentric attitude. I've done nothing to attack you. In fact, I've swallowed my pride (and bit my tongue) on a NUMBER of occasions in relation to your posts and statements on the shoutbox. And why? Because I'm trying to be a positive, contributive member, and avoid further conflict. You see, I have no reason to kowtow to the "famous" members of Balto Source. Nor do I think that ANY of them are worthy of "fan clubs" or the near deification some of the other teenagers expose them to...which only feeds their boorishness.

I've kept the peace. Now, are you going to turn the tables and act hostile? What I said about Drew was not an attack at all. I didn't imply anything except that what she said sounded "ominous". That can mean anything. And it's only what's in the individual reader's minds (and their particular prejudices) which affect how they interpret the context of that post. And you got it wrong.

I would ask that you be a little more mature about this.

Of course, now you've given me the answer I need. And you've all but accused me of being a pedophile. THAT is dangerous territory you're skirting, Cat. VERY.

I kinda knew you'd say something along those lines sometime here Cat, lol, well...

We've already said that ANYONE under the age of 18 MUST have a parent or legal guardian with them, no exceptions.

I already know that only 7 people may show up but heck I'd get an A for effort.

I also know that thousands of weird perverted people stalk the internet but that is exactly why we're thinking out everything in fine detail, I don't wanna end up the victim of some mentally perverted moron either.

This whole trip thing is so people can meet friends they would'nt be able to otherwise and also so that Universal see how big'a hit Balto really is, everyone wants more balto merchandise or for Uni to take more notice of it or re-release a special edition DVD or 3-DVD box set but how if Uni does'nt know how much people really like it?

You can go on at me all you want for this but I'm just trying to do something for once, people at home always say I never do anything so I am doing something and not for myself either.

...And I don't appreciate being called a 'kid' either...

Well, just to be on the safe side, and to allay any concerns, I will gladly place myself up for scrutiny by any parent or adult chaperone. However, if it turns out that I would be the only adult BS member wanting to attend, then my participation would end at helping to set this up, and I wouldn't attend. Clearly, there is still an element in the membership which HASN'T gotten over the fan art argument, and still has a vengeful grudge to bear. I don't need someone using that as a cheap and hateful tactic to "get even".

Besides, I think I've been very open and up-front about my identity and my age from the beginning. I have nothing to hide, and have made clear that I have no special interest in attending an event loaded with minors. Of course, that's only my word here against a lot of unknowns. And yet, it's entirely possible that any single member of Balto Source could actually be a pedophile or other criminal or psychopath, posing as a kid, waiting for an opportunity. If I was one like that, then revealing that I'm an adult in my thirties sure would've blown my cover and ruined my chances at making a score, huh?

But then, I suppose realizing that takes logic. And wisdom.

No, wisdom would be realizing that posting this message would not drive the topic in a favorable way.

But as you said, that takes wisdom.

Further, wisdom would have shown you that trying to dig into a wound by flaming it further along would only drive it towards the inevitable conclusion...this being locked. But then, I suppose there is that little cadre who like nothing better than seeing threads they don't like being locked, and taking whatever steps necessary to make it happen. That's pathetic.

Yes, you have always said right from the start that you don't want to come if no other adults are there and I thank you for being so honest, I'd be glad of your contribution and maybe everyone may want to think about the fact that a weirdo posing as a kid would'nt tell all of them that they are'nt, that would kinda defeat the object a little huh?

Can we stop the arguing now? I don't wanna have to lock my own topic, Cat if you have something to say then by all means say it just don't anyone flame, ok? ....good, now Seppala has done nothing wrong, no one else has done anything wrong. (just before anything else happened)

Do not tell me what further wisdom is, it is clear you did not have any to begin with, look where you are now. Hmm, I assure you there is no such cadre, no matter how much you'd like one to exist.

I dont care about respect on a website means NOTHING to me compared to other (more important things.) If people respect me, more power to them. And I wasn't attacking you, I was simply stating my mind, I am from the Free World, afterall. I think what I think about you. No amount of "argument saving" is going to change my mind. And if you think Im being an "***" just to "get even" with you, then you really are the wad I once said you were. And in the real world, it doesn't matter what age you say you are. Its up to anybody how much they reveal about themselves. Whether they're being true or not.

Say Im being immature about this subject. Im being realistic and sometimes that requires pessimism. And if that requires locking this topic (which was not our goal, we have bigger fish to fry) And so what if you said that kids under 18 aren't permitted without a parent? If they have money, they're gonna do whatever the hell they please! And what are you gonna do when they come waltzing through the door parent-free? You gonna send them out in the streets? You've gotta think. If something happens to even ONE of these kids, who's gonna be responsible if the parents aren't there?

The only way this is going to happen and even GET somewhere is if ALOT. Of people go. And I mean like over 50 at LEAST. And right now, Im thinking that you all are going along with this meeting just to make Balto more POPULAR?! More popular. Wow. That couldn't be a more worthless cause.

I probably wouldn't be so "harsh" if people just used their brains once in a while. Everybody's thinking about "how good" this experience could be, like you all have forgotten completely about the bad.

You can have a go all you want, all this is for is so people can get together, have a good time and hopefully have a happy memory of a fun day.

If you don't like it then that's your business but this is just so people can have fun, I already thought ALL of this through and yes, if someone comes waltzing in without their parents I will make 'em leave, hotels and such will gladly provide assistance if minors are concerned, I'm not an idiot and have been thinking this whole thing through a lot.

You can rant and whine all you want, heck everyone come and have a go if they want, all you're doing is stirring up a fight.

I really don't like fighting at all and I'd rather not have been like this to you or anyone else but if you insist on acting like this then so be it, I'm sorry, end of argument.

Yes, well, maybe you just need to close that smart-mouthed little trap of yours long enough to realize how idiotic and amazingly self-absorbed your posts sound (or look).

I REALLY don't care about your point of view. I never have. You're one advantage over me is that, up until very recently, if I spoke out in the same manner you have been doing, I stood to lose. That has changed. And the egomania of you and your little group of friends is no longer a defense.

But I am going to do the bigger thing, and stop here. If this thread gets locked, it hangs on you. But then, it always did. Because you still haven't learned to keep your mouth shut when it should be.

The days when Cat could speak with impunity, because she posted so much art on Balto Source, are passing away. What people mostly see now is the selfish, self-absorbed whiner who felt a need to "punish" the rest of the community by taking her art away, and saying "too ***** bad...you people didn't show me sufficient abject humiliation".

Actually, I never felt you were ever that important.

I WILL tell you, and you WILL stop flaming. And where am I? On Balto Source, arguing with smart-mouthed, clueless little teenagers who think they have a clue. That's where.

You know what? I've tried opening some of your eyes, but at this point, Im just assuming that everyone's lost all sense of realism here. This is what I get for being CONCERNED for all of you. And you wonder why I'm slipping away from this site. I dont care if you all have fun with your Balto fanaticness. It's your idea of fun. Whatever. You (to everyone) can prove me wrong if you want. Call me egocentric, but it'd truely be a first.

Good RIDDANCE. I guess that's why they call it "egoMANIA." It takes a sane person to be humble enough to admit when they're wrong, or when they've gone too far.