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 Post subject: Re: Why do a lot of you hate Aleu?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:17 pm 
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So you're obviously trying to convince everyone here that Aleu is a bad character, as others have done before and still.
Why?

Do you have some connections with Universal, and they've agreed that if you can MAGICALLY change the minds of every Aleu lover that they'll re-write the movie and re-make it just for you? What is the point in hating a character that has already been given a place that can't be taken away?
And why is it so goddamn important that she gets punished in the film? Could it be just because you hate her for stupid reasons?

All of these why-do-you-hate either Aleu or Stella topic posts are generally pointless, because no matter what she's still going to be there and they're not going to change.
An opinion is an opinion, and you're just taking what could have been and isn't going to happen into account rather than what's already there and won't go away. I bet you just hate that so much don't you?
You're just going to keep proclaiming your hate for Aleu like you're Jesus Christ and for what? What is that going to get you in the end?

Just go back to your fantasy world, fix the character as you like them on your own in your fanfictions or drawings or whatever it is you do.
Don't argue about something and then do nothing about it.
I'm done trying to negotiate with you.

Oi.
Please keep your fanboy-ish obsessions to yourself and out of this topic, we're just dissecting a character.
Anyone who has had an upper-level literature class ought to know there is no negotiating to be had here, this is a place for opinions, not winning an argument.
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Aleu and Ariel form a Little Mermaid were both bratty teens- who instead of resolving their actions, achieved their "happy endings" as a positive consequence for their actions. Kiara sort of did this too. I'm not saying that every teenager's rebellion should end up biting them in the butt, but the rebellious side seems the just consume the character, as it did with Ariel and Aleu and even Kiara to some extent.

I don't know how realistic it is for a character's every actions to drip with "life is unfair,whine,whine,whine" attitude. Yes, we all have our moments, but the key word is moments. Perhaps Aleu could be seen as accepting her life the way it is, instead of rushing into a new life, with the hope that it will just fit her like a glove and everything will work out fine for her.
That's what kinda got to me, I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do a lot of you hate Aleu?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:32 pm 
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Eska wrote:
Aleu and Ariel form a Little Mermaid were both bratty teens- who instead of resolving their actions, achieved their "happy endings" as a positive consequence for their actions. Kiara sort of did this too. I'm not saying that every teenager's rebellion should end up biting them in the butt, but the rebellious side seems the just consume the character, as it did with Ariel and Aleu and even Kiara to some extent.


Same with Max from A Goofy Movie. He had his rebellious side, but that didn't define who he was. He was a spunky "hip" member of the Goof family, growing up and learning not just to think for himself, but to also accept his Dad for who he was. Aleu had absolutely no endearing or life-changing experiences WITH HER FATHER, that would've realistically changed her mind so drastically about her heritage.

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I don't know how realistic it is for a character's every actions to drip with "life is unfair,whine,whine,whine" attitude. Yes, we all have our moments, but the key word is moments. Perhaps Aleu could be seen as accepting her life the way it is, instead of rushing into a new life, with the hope that it will just fit her like a glove and everything will work out fine for her.
That's what kinda got to me, I guess.


Yeah exactly. There was no thinking on her part. She didn't even WORRY about MAYBE doing a bad job as a leader, which she would've realistically speaking. She never asked herself "What if I mess up?" and her father in turn saying, "You'll be fine. You get your leadership skills from me too."

See, doesn't that just sound better and more enlightening? You would've been killing two birds with one stone. Aleu would've accepted her father and her heritage at the same time, and also in turn learning to trust herself as a leader. For someone as "unsure" of who they were, she sure did act like she had the answer for everything. Which is like a teenager, but thanks to the movie's "wonderful" pacing, it fell flat as a plot.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:04 pm 
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I wouldn't say that I hate Aleu but I couldn't stand or believe the choices she made plus that voice of hers did not sound at all right to me.


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"I've watched Balto 2 and Aleu was whiny and Bratty in only ONE Part"

Then you may want to review the film, because I can count Aleu being disrespectful more than one time.

Boris - Aleu, how can I baby sit if you won't sit? You don't sit nowhere for more than five seconds.
Aleu - That's anywhere, uncle Boris.
Boris - What's anywhere? Don't try to confuse me young lady, I'm your baby sister.
Aleu - Uncle Boris, since I'm not a baby anymore I don't need a baby sitter, and you can tell that to my father.
Balto - Come on Aleu, you will always be my baby, no matter how old you are.
Aleu - Ugh, you're hopeless... Let's go.
Aleu - What's gonna happen when a human picks up, huh papa? Who are you gonna baby then?

And pretty much almost every line she says after this scene is disrespectful.

Also, if you watch her body language when she says these lines, often times you can see her expressions aren't exactly what you would call being "respectful".

"I love aleu because she has her father Balto's old self from the first movie"

I'm not really seeing Balto in Aleu's character. Plus, Phil Weinstein didn't even see the first movie when he directed Balto II, so having any of Balto's personality is rather out of the question.

"and i found her charecter better then Kodi's. Kodi's is bland."

Could you explain a bit more why you think Aleu is better than Kodi?

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 Post subject: Re: Why do a lot of you hate Aleu?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:42 am 
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Oh theres a whole lot that I can say. I don't remember Kodi ever being respectfull to his father. Then again let me watch balto 2 and 3 again.


And that makes Kodi boring? I'm sorry, but that doesn't really make any sense.

I don't really view Kodi as being a disrespectful character, he just lost track of what was more important.

If you watch, you can see Kodi crack twice. The first time when Balto goes to the boiler room to see if they would help search for Duke. When Balto leaves the boiler room Kodi says, "dad, wait!". Balto stops for a moment and then shakes his head and walks off. Kodi then makes an expression of shock. The second crack is after Jenna talks with him and he makes an expression of guilt.

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I agree with Mighty. I know because i watched the 3rd movie, and Kodi is a better character then Aleu. Even if Aleu is my favorite character.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do a lot of you hate Aleu?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:39 am 
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Hey! Yeah, I had the same question too before. Then, it was realized. A lot of people hate Aleu, Because she stubbourn. Everyone thinks shes dramatic, :roll: They also thought it was a bad idea to just run away because of finding out her heritage. Im sorry if I didn't really answer your question :? Im new, lol :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:14 pm 
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There are a few things that fans don't like about Aleu... or at least the THREE basic reasons of why an Aleu-hater hates this quarter-wolf:

- She's whiny.
Except for the couple of times that we see her as a puppy, she is quite the whiny brat. As a yearling, she's rather snooty and complains. This also includes her voice, thanks to actress Lacey Chabert [who some have said her voice sounds like one of the Chipettes].

- She runs away for a stupid reason.
She's angry at her dad because he's half wolf and she has his genes, thus meaning she'll never be adopted by a person like her siblings. Aleu's reaction [in a summarized way, mind you]? "Oh my Aniu, my life is over! I hate you, Dad!" ...and then she runs away because of it. No, really... that is quite stupid. Aleu doesn't even know where she's headed to, but dang it, she hates being related to the wolf, despite showing many of the mannerisms and the appearance. It's naive and stupid, altogether. Plus, she never apologizes for running away either. But then again, Balto never brings that up... and neither does she.

- She doesn't really do much of ANYTHING and gets her 'Happy Ending' anyway.
Seriously, she sucks at fighting and has to have her dad bail her out, but in the end, Aleu just knows that she's supposed to be the new leader? Girl, all you can do is howl and look wild, but that's basically it. She's young and just changes her thoughts on being called a wolf... by living as a wolf-pack leader. That makes no sense after over an hour of the film and even I know that is a one-way ticket to her probably not lasting a day as a wolf. Seriously, she's like a whinier version of Ariel, the Little Mermaid [or some Disney Princesses]- naturally stubborn, defiant and after putting her father through following her scent and saving her life a couple of times, she gets what she wants in the end; in this case, it's the freedom to live her own life.

There are some things to like about her too, but this is not the topic for that.

Overall, Aleu was written to be a typical sequel lead that is young [teenager... ish?], stupid, and needs to learn a lesson about something usually focused on something that one of their parents has a connection to - in Aleu's case, it's the wolf breeding that she and her father share. I know that the story basically falls in the category of "children of the main characters of the first movie learning the same lesson as their parents", but Aleu's issue was all about self-discovery because her dad [and her mom] was stupid enough to keep the obvious truth secret from her for that long.

...Do I really need to say anything else? Probably not. I'm sure most Aleu-haters have their own personal reasons, but I'm sure everyone has a character that we can't stand for some reason... so just chill out. I'm going to Love and Tolerate all the Aleu-haters anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:09 am 
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To be honest , I've watched both Balto sequals again just to see if maybe my mind changed about Aleu and Kodi , It did. Both of the. Balto sequals sucked , and to be honest , Aleu and Kodi are both Brats , and I would'nt be surprised if Balto's Other 4 pups were the same. Not to mention , I found Balto to be A horrible father in the Sequals. To me , The first is really the only one worth watching. I found Aleu to be Bratty and get her way , and Kodi to be Arrogant.

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How is either Kodi bratty, and how is Balto a bad parent?

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Many reasons why. Kodi wanted to leave Duke in the cold Dying , and refused to Follow his Father to help find him, Just because of his Job , Until his mom MADE him go with Balto. Balto IS a bad parent , but I need to find out where I read about it. :P

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:30 am 
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Many reasons why. Kodi wanted to leave Duke in the cold Dying , and refused to Follow his Father to help find him, Just because of his Job , Until his mom MADE him go with Balto. Balto IS a bad parent , but I need to find out where I read about it. :P


That doesn't necessarily make Kodi a bad egg, he just got caught up in his work. In other words, he lost sight in what was more important. Also, Jenna did not force Kodi to go out and help search for Duke. Like any parent would, she lectured him and made him realize what was more important.

Let me get this strait. You said that you reviewed the films and decided that you dislike Aleu, Kodi, and Balto's parenting skills. And yet when I questioned you on that you didn't have a clue to as of why, but that you read it online somewhere. :|

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