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Post subject: Re: Does anyone REALLY care about the characters? Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:42 pm |
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BaltoSeppala wrote: Okay, let me preface this post with two points:
1. I'm definitely NOT looking to start a flame war or even an argument. So if, after reading this, you're thinking of spouting off because you don't like my post, or you think I'm attacking a specific writer (which I'm NOT), DON'T, because I am NOT interested in dealing with it. And I will advise the mods of troublemakers.
2. The question in the title was largely rhetorical. Meaning I'm not looking for an answer to that. I already know, based on what I'm posting here, and what I've read and seen on the site, who really cares about the characters, and who doesn't...based on what they write in fan fictions, and what they draw.
Now then...
Here's a NON-rhetorical question: are there ANY fan fiction writers out there who feel the way I do about integrity, accuracy, commitment to the original characters and their design, and morality?
I have seen so MANY fan fictions which feature things like incest, sodomy, pederasty, gratuitous violence, offensive and foul language, immorality, "evil", and so on, that it is sickening, and it is offensive. Doubly so when the writers MIS-use the original Balto characters (or original characters from other settings) to fulfill their desires to tell a compelling or entertaining story...or else (and this is clearly a call for help and a sign of a problem of SOME kind) simply to elicit a response (even if that response is revulsion, anger and/or shock).
Of course, I've seen the counter arguments..."Hey, there are warnings on most of these"; "if you don't like the subject, don't read it"; "sheesh - it's JUST fan fiction". And a myriad of other things which essentially translate as "get a life - loser".
People who advocate this kind of "writing" might call me a prude. They might say I'm stifling creativity with my "narrow-minded" opinions (or worse, they might take the all-too-typical route now and say that I'm either a homophobe or that I have an axe to grind with certain members...neither of which is true). I've seen those kinds of attacks thrown at others who were willing to stand up in defense of the kind of writing which keeps the original characters PURE, and free of the kind of writing so often seen here. And they get MERCILESSLY ganged up on and attacked when they criticize that kind of "writing". How our world society and culture have deteriorated and darkened, that we have sunk to such levels!
So I wonder whether or not there are ANY members of Balto Source, whether or not they are fan fiction writers or just those who love to read fan fictions, who really care about staying true to the original characters, and not violating their purity, their parameters, and so on. Or even just their own characters, but without all the trash writing. I know there are at least a FEW out there. I am one. And I have talked to at least a few others who said they are of the same mind, and find great comfort in the fact that I have been writing stuff that, so far, makes the characters come alive for them...that they can FEEL the characters in the writing. That is a great source of pride for me, that I receive such high praise! And it shows that someone need not necessarily be a prude, or a homophobe, or a Christian fundamentalist (none of which fits me at all) just to appreciate GOOD and DECENT writing!
RHETORICAL FINISH: (I am not seeking an answer to this either, because, as I said, I am totally disinterested in a debate, argument, or flame war.) What happened to writing a good romantic story (without incest, sodomy, pederasty or sexual violence)? Whatever happened to writing a good adventure (without gratuitous violence...evil themes...foul language, etc.)?
I agree, I am horrified on the ficitions that are appering latley, mostly the ones turning balto and jenna and humans to be just plain evil (BAto's a hero, jenna's a protecter and the humans are for support). I also find in a few fics Aleu and Kodi are in some horrible situation. It is so far from the movie.
Some may have said, "That it's thier fan contribuition of balto", but please lighten up. I want to do a fiction myself, and I'm not getting good insperation.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:52 pm |
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wolf guy
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:55 pm |
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THis is indirect to the disscusion, but a peronal level of the original subject
To silverbalto (Read this): I know I have been nice roleplaying with Angel, but when I read some of your fics, such as twisted relations and some of your balto series fanfictions, I personally hate them. You have courrputed balto. I'm being honest with you.
Any one else do not reply to this.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:26 pm |
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Seppala, I see your point in ways, and then again I disagree in ways too. I mean, there are a few fics I am disappointed in by the way they have changed so, but I am only concluding towards Balto-related fics.
But in all truth, you never really know what they are doing out there. Now, do you? Everyone imagines something different, and it is just the way things are.
And, yes, you could say we have sunk, or we have risin up. You ask why? Because we are so open about these things. I mean, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with being open about somethings? I see nothing wrong with it. Really, I dont. I like to know peoples opinions indeed, as long as they are decent, and supported.
Life is life, and you cant run from it. Personally, I love to hear peoples opinions on things like these. I perfer to watch, actually, and not get involved. But sometimes, the reasons people give, if they give one at all!, and just stupid. I think a real arguement should consist of something important, something to support your opinions.
And I tend to try to be calm when giving my opinion, and that is the best thing to do, if you ask me. Do not flame at someone for their opinion, but be gentle & continue to support yours.
My opinion here, in conclusion, is that these fan fics are fine, as long as they are supportive. Or sometimes, if they arent too bad. But keeping the character is also hard, after all we are our own selves.
Forgive me if I offend you, but this is my opinion. Thank you.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:28 pm |
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Seppala, I see your point in ways, and then again I disagree in ways too. I mean, there are a few fics I am disappointed in by the way they have changed so, but I am only concluding towards Balto-related fics.
But in all truth, you never really know what they are doing out there. Now, do you? Everyone imagines something different, and it is just the way things are.
And, yes, you could say we have sunk, or we have risin up. You ask why? Because we are so open about these things. I mean, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with being open about somethings? I see nothing wrong with it. Really, I dont. I like to know peoples opinions indeed, as long as they are decent, and supported.
Life is life, and you cant run from it. Personally, I love to hear peoples opinions on things like these. I perfer to watch, actually, and not get involved. But sometimes, the reasons people give, if they give one at all!, and just stupid. I think a real arguement should consist of something important, something to support your opinions.
And I tend to try to be calm when giving my opinion, and that is the best thing to do, if you ask me. Do not flame at someone for their opinion, but be gentle & continue to support yours.
My opinion here, in conclusion, is that these fan fics are fine, as long as they are supportive. Or sometimes, if they arent too bad. But keeping the character is also hard, after all we are our own selves.
Forgive me if I offend you, but this is my opinion. Thank you.
Thanks. Even if this is agaisnt me.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:30 pm |
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Arcturus075-cwp wrote: Seppala, I see your point in ways, and then again I disagree in ways too. I mean, there are a few fics I am disappointed in by the way they have changed so, but I am only concluding towards Balto-related fics.
But in all truth, you never really know what they are doing out there. Now, do you? Everyone imagines something different, and it is just the way things are.
And, yes, you could say we have sunk, or we have risin up. You ask why? Because we are so open about these things. I mean, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with being open about somethings? I see nothing wrong with it. Really, I dont. I like to know peoples opinions indeed, as long as they are decent, and supported.
Life is life, and you cant run from it. Personally, I love to hear peoples opinions on things like these. I perfer to watch, actually, and not get involved. But sometimes, the reasons people give, if they give one at all!, and just stupid. I think a real arguement should consist of something important, something to support your opinions.
And I tend to try to be calm when giving my opinion, and that is the best thing to do, if you ask me. Do not flame at someone for their opinion, but be gentle & continue to support yours.
My opinion here, in conclusion, is that these fan fics are fine, as long as they are supportive. Or sometimes, if they arent too bad. But keeping the character is also hard, after all we are our own selves.
Forgive me if I offend you, but this is my opinion. Thank you.
What the heck?! I said all that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! D=<
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:35 pm |
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Quote: You've made a good argument,but I personally don't agree with what you're saying.I know you'll hate me for saying this but...it is FAN-fiction.A GOOD romance story,in my opinion,should have a twist to it.I think you're over-reacting.Fanfiction's purpose is to let writers tell stories with characters they love.If something you never saw,but wanted to see,in the Balto movies,you can write it into a story,and there it is.But if you totally keep everything identical to the movies,it'll no longer be fan-FICTION,but a copy of a story that's already been told.
Rated G?That's because a rated G movie is often praised because it's a good 'family' film.What about the Balto fans that DON'T want to only see a G movie?Do we just sit in a dark corner because BaltoSeppala said we're corrupting Balto?
I agree with TikTac about the literal meaning of "fanfiction", but I also agree with you to a point. I do hate when people butcher Balto and make him gay or butcher Steele by making him almost as evil as the devil himself, but I must say it's because I respect those characters. Balto is DEFINATELY not gay and Steele is definately not evil, etc etc.
Now, stories where their character changes for GOOD reason (like balto 123's story about Balto turning "evil" because he had rabies and went crazy) Or if a character like Jenna becomes evil (like in DW's story, i say that she had a good reason tot hink such demented thoughts) then I dont mind and I get even more into the story because they changed the character in an interesting and different way.
Now, from my own point of view, when I write my stories like my story on Kodi being gay, it's because I really think that (and I think it's mighty fun to poke fun at him because I think he's such a feeble character) or like Aleu, I basically have no respect for her whatsoever (but I did manage to respect her in my first fic about her, but dont feel like explaining why for the umpteenth time) so I write fics about her that people "don't like."
But on this "this is a kid's site" thing, that may very well be a fact, but if "violent, incestuous, homosexual, demented" fics were THAT much of a problem, wouldn't steet and the mods not accept fics like those at all? I mean, smart people do keep to themselves if they hate something with a huge passion, though they are allowed to state that they don't like it, it's best they have a good reason to (like if they read a fic that WARNED that it contained violence and they read it anyway, but then later stated that they didn't like the violence, that's a lame reason) But if you don't read those fics, then what's the problem? I mean considering your experience with the English language, you should be able to distinguish a story you WOULD like from a story you WOULDN'T like by now.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:37 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:44 pm |
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Now, what would be more postive idea of a balto fanfiction? How about steele being nicer? (THat's an idea I've always had since I've been into balto roleplaying)
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:05 pm |
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I didn't start a fight here, just so we're clear.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:09 pm |
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Exactly. And people do change, it'd be very boring seeing a character act like him/herself 100% of the time. At least thats my opinion
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:58 pm |
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WOW. VERY well said. I agree with you. I don't put cuss words in my fics because I think it would look stupid and that it would just look like I'm TRYING to find a way to use it. And fics like Rohad's "Legend of the White Lion" are a good read. He uses pretty much all the bad words and stuff. . . and goes into detail on a rape scene, but I DO think that thatn needs to be kept under control. We're obviously not going to change their minds about that kind of thing, and I think the section for "R" rated fics is a very good idea. I enjoyed Rohad's fics. They were extremely well-written. But I want to make it clear that I am AGAINST incest and gayety. THAT is going too far. The profanity, I think is unnesseccary. It COULD be left out and still make a good story. I think that it's best to leave out characters from the movie as much as you can (although I'm not taking my own advice in the current fic I'm writing) because it is so hard to make them sound like themselves and when they don't it sounds off. The sexual rampages. . .I think I'll make it easier for all who feel the same way and say that there's something inside us that enjoys reading that. Embarrassing? yes, but true. Why else do people put that in there? (including me, but I keep it quite mild, and they're DEFINATELY not rampages. OR harassment. I don't go into detail.)Realistically, dogs and lions mate with whichever one they want. They're not bound by marrriage. But I DO think that they should also keep this in check. Don't transform Balto (or any other character from Balto or LK) into some sex god that wears him/her-self out just for a good story. That's going too far. I think that warnings SHOULD be used at the top of all fanfics that are above "PG", and that they should be liberal with their explanations on what the fic contains. While I think causing the characters to do certain things that they would'nt do in the movies is okay, changing their whole personality is not. Like making them gay, incestic or sex-crazy. I do think that there is an attraction to adult-themed fics, but even these should be kept in moderation (the severity of situations) I do think that the image of Balto needs and should be preserved. But I also believe that new things are okay to try, as long as they stay within reasonable boundaries.
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