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That's sad how Balto or Togo how their bones and skin are sperated. Personally I think they sould be in the same museum,next to eachother not in storage. Great info by the way. :D

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It is said that the mount of Balto has suffered due to previous exposure to too much light and moisture. The coat has faded from its natural jet black to what is now more of a deep mahogany red. The fur around the eyes, and more of the muzzle, grayed with age. This mount sits on display, with some very nice historical information and displays, at the Cleveland, Ohio Museum of Natural History...in the town where Balto died.

Here is a great link for information on the mount, which is now maintained in better condition, and with Balto's original leather lead:

http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/elephant/114/baltomus.htm


Wow, that's exactly what happened to the Declaration of Independence. There was this one time for about 25 years or more when it was displayed behind a glass case, but it was in direct sunlight. That's why if you saw it today, it is very difficult to read. Then it was put in a really good casing away fron any sunlight, until they found a beelte had eaten away at one of the corners. Then they put it in an airtight, Argon gas filled, bulletproof chanber in the National Archives building, where it is today.

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It is said that the mount of Balto has suffered due to previous exposure to too much light and moisture. The coat has faded from its natural jet black to what is now more of a deep mahogany red. The fur around the eyes, and more of the muzzle, grayed with age. This mount sits on display, with some very nice historical information and displays, at the Cleveland, Ohio Museum of Natural History...in the town where Balto died.

Here is a great link for information on the mount, which is now maintained in better condition, and with Balto's original leather lead:

http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/elephant/114/baltomus.htm


Wow, that's exactly what happened to the Declaration of Independence. There was this one time for about 25 years or more when it was displayed behind a glass case, but it was in direct sunlight. That's why if you saw it today, it is very difficult to read. Then it was put in a really good casing away fron any sunlight, until they found a beelte had eaten away at one of the corners. Then they put it in an airtight, Argon gas filled, bulletproof chanber in the National Archives building, where it is today.

It's a shame how we treat our national treasures, isn't it? No matter the country. People just don't really have a TRUE appreciation for the historical treasures of their own country!


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I strongly beleive he's in the Iditarod Trail Museum. But you may prove me wrong, we will just have to wait and see i guess!


Highland...and everyone! I FINALLY have the answer as to the exact whereabouts of Togo's mount!

There was that nagging little question as to which of the two museums (Iditarod Trail Headquarters Museum or the Dorothy Page Museum, both in Wasilla) the mount is displayed in, and whether or not they were even the same museum, or two different ones.

They are, in fact, two different museums, and the answer to the question of where Togo resides is here:

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Subject: RE: Question about the mount of Togo
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:55 AM
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Togo is at the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race Headquarters Museum… come on up!

Chas

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Subject: Question about the mount of Togo

Chas, Stan and Diane,

I am curious about the exact location where Togo's mount is displayed. Your website USED to have a great page on it, but that has since disappeared. Now, the remaining information on the internet (which is sketchy at best) cannot seem to determine whether the mount is in the Trail Museum, or the Dorothy Page Museum. Some websites even say the two museums are one and the same!

I have a great interest in this information, as I do wish to visit up your way sometime in the coming year, and would like to know with certainty where the mount is displayed. Thank you very much for your prompt response!


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BALTO

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It is said that the mount of Balto has suffered due to previous exposure to too much light and moisture. The coat has faded from its natural jet black to what is now more of a deep mahogany red. The fur around the eyes, and more of the muzzle, grayed with age. This mount sits on display, with some very nice historical information and displays, at the Cleveland, Ohio Museum of Natural History...in the town where Balto died.

Here is a great link for information on the mount, which is now maintained in better condition, and with Balto's original leather lead:

http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/elephant/114/baltomus.htm


Wow, that's exactly what happened to the Declaration of Independence. There was this one time for about 25 years or more when it was displayed behind a glass case, but it was in direct sunlight. That's why if you saw it today, it is very difficult to read. Then it was put in a really good casing away fron any sunlight, until they found a beelte had eaten away at one of the corners. Then they put it in an airtight, Argon gas filled, bulletproof chanber in the National Archives building, where it is today.

It's a shame how we treat our national treasures, isn't it? No matter the country. People just don't really have a TRUE appreciation for the historical treasures of their own country!


Well, there's at least one person who does. (Me)

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It's a shame how we treat our national treasures, isn't it? No matter the country. People just don't really have a TRUE appreciation for the historical treasures of their own country!


Well, there's at least one person who does. (Me)

Thank goodness for one more! :)


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Highland Wolf wrote:
I strongly beleive he's in the Iditarod Trail Museum. But you may prove me wrong, we will just have to wait and see i guess!


Highland...and everyone! I FINALLY have the answer as to the exact whereabouts of Togo's mount!

There was that nagging little question as to which of the two museums (Iditarod Trail Headquarters Museum or the Dorothy Page Museum, both in Wasilla) the mount is displayed in, and whether or not they were even the same museum, or two different ones.

They are, in fact, two different museums, and the answer to the question of where Togo resides is here:

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Question about the mount of Togo
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:55 AM
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Dear ...,

Togo is at the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race Headquarters Museum… come on up!

Chas

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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Question about the mount of Togo

Chas, Stan and Diane,

I am curious about the exact location where Togo's mount is displayed. Your website USED to have a great page on it, but that has since disappeared. Now, the remaining information on the internet (which is sketchy at best) cannot seem to determine whether the mount is in the Trail Museum, or the Dorothy Page Museum. Some websites even say the two museums are one and the same!

I have a great interest in this information, as I do wish to visit up your way sometime in the coming year, and would like to know with certainty where the mount is displayed. Thank you very much for your prompt response!


I knew it!!! I knew it was in the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Museum! I knew it, i knew it, i knew it! Sorry, about that. I'm just glad i knew that :lol: Thanks Balto Seppala for your time and effort to find that out! Really appreciate it! :D


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I think its great how you just set your mind on it and do the thing! I can't really do that :lol: You emailed them, which was so good of you to do! I could never do that, i know it sounds silly, but i woould forget or something! *big pat on the back for Balto Seppala!* howl.gif

Anyway, hearing you talk about Balto and how we treat our natural treasures, as you said Balto Seppala. I was wondering, what do you think should have happened to Balto's body? What's your opinon, on what would be a proper thing to do with him. I think, they should have beried him with the statue or something. If not that, i think they shoud have (either in Cleveland or Nome) beried him, then given him a sorta tomb thing, with a statue of Balto and write about what he did and tell people to show their respects. I think that should have happened. For what Balto did, people should look at his grave and read it. They should find out about what he did, and like i siad, pay respect for him. Not look at him through a glass window. Though they do put on a good show in Cleveland, telling people about Balto and all. But i think he should have had a fancy, and respectable grave for poor old Balto.


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I think it was wrong to stuff Balto,Fritz and Togo.It just dos'nt feel right to do that to such sweet dogs.

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I think its great how you just set your mind on it and do the thing! I can't really do that :lol: You emailed them, which was so good of you to do! I could never do that, i know it sounds silly, but i woould forget or something! *big pat on the back for Balto Seppala!* howl.gif

Anyway, hearing you talk about Balto and how we treat our natural treasures, as you said Balto Seppala. I was wondering, what do you think should have happened to Balto's body? What's your opinon, on what would be a proper thing to do with him. I think, they should have beried him with the statue or something. If not that, i think they shoud have (either in Cleveland or Nome) beried him, then given him a sorta tomb thing, with a statue of Balto and write about what he did and tell people to show their respects. I think that should have happened. For what Balto did, people should look at his grave and read it. They should find out about what he did, and like i siad, pay respect for him. Not look at him through a glass window. Though they do put on a good show in Cleveland, telling people about Balto and all. But i think he should have had a fancy, and respectable grave for poor old Balto.

You know? I came in to see the latest reply in this topic thread, and then I realized that I had never responded to THIS post! Sorry about that, Highland Wolf! :?

Er...personally, I'd have wanted to see them buried as well. However, I believe it is not my place to judge people who decided upon a path for these dogs long before I was born. NONE of us was around at that time, and so we cannot comprehend the feelings that were playing out at the time...on a small or a large scale (depending upon the particular dog in question). What's done is done. And, at the time, the people who decided upon stuffing and mounting Togo, Balto and Fritz felt they were doing right by each dog.

I have always said, no matter the historical situation, it is not our place to judge the actions of those in the past. Study, yes. Learn from it certainly. But WE weren't there. No matter what any of us may want to think or believe about ourselves and our own views on how impartial or fair-minded we may be, to judge the actions of people from events we were not witness to, or even alive for is, in my opinion, stupid. We have little to no frame of reference, and so we cannot possibly have an informed state of mind about the events of the past. We can only observe them as outsiders. And quite often, outsiders make bad judgement calls, and totally misinterpret history and the people who were immersed in it.

That's what I think...


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Perhaps Fritz was the inspiration for Kaltag?

T'is possible. Though I don't know that that was ever stated by any literature or special features.


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BaltoSeppala wrote:
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I think its great how you just set your mind on it and do the thing! I can't really do that :lol: You emailed them, which was so good of you to do! I could never do that, i know it sounds silly, but i woould forget or something! *big pat on the back for Balto Seppala!* howl.gif

Anyway, hearing you talk about Balto and how we treat our natural treasures, as you said Balto Seppala. I was wondering, what do you think should have happened to Balto's body? What's your opinon, on what would be a proper thing to do with him. I think, they should have beried him with the statue or something. If not that, i think they shoud have (either in Cleveland or Nome) beried him, then given him a sorta tomb thing, with a statue of Balto and write about what he did and tell people to show their respects. I think that should have happened. For what Balto did, people should look at his grave and read it. They should find out about what he did, and like i siad, pay respect for him. Not look at him through a glass window. Though they do put on a good show in Cleveland, telling people about Balto and all. But i think he should have had a fancy, and respectable grave for poor old Balto.

You know? I came in to see the latest reply in this topic thread, and then I realized that I had never responded to THIS post! Sorry about that, Highland Wolf! :?

Er...personally, I'd have wanted to see them buried as well. However, I believe it is not my place to judge people who decided upon a path for these dogs long before I was born. NONE of us was around at that time, and so we cannot comprehend the feelings that were playing out at the time...on a small or a large scale (depending upon the particular dog in question). What's done is done. And, at the time, the people who decided upon stuffing and mounting Togo, Balto and Fritz felt they were doing right by each dog.

I have always said, no matter the historical situation, it is not our place to judge the actions of those in the past. Study, yes. Learn from it certainly. But WE weren't there. No matter what any of us may want to think or believe about ourselves and our own views on how impartial or fair-minded we may be, to judge the actions of people from events we were not witness to, or even alive for is, in my opinion, stupid. We have little to no frame of reference, and so we cannot possibly have an informed state of mind about the events of the past. We can only observe them as outsiders. And quite often, outsiders make bad judgement calls, and totally misinterpret history and the people who were immersed in it.

That's what I think...


Thats ok Seppala ;) Personally i forgot about that post! I won't ever mind if you don't answer to something, i will always think there must be a sensible reason you didn't reply and if you just don't want to, thats fine as well of course! Thanks for replying back anyway :)

Well, i never really thought about it like that. Your right really. What's done is done. I appreciate that they did SOMETHING for Balto anyway, and even though people don't actully do it much anymore, stuffing was the way to go in those times. Just hope thats what Balto would have wanted!


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