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I'm used to strange criticism, so it's okay. I really wasn't sure what to do with Kopa (which is why it took me so long to finish writing it, mainly Parts Two and Three; I wrote the basics for One and Four first), so I thought . . . "Why not?" and I did it.

Besides, it's different and it's a fan work, so it really didn't happen. yay? I'm glad I surprised you!

Ah, gee . . . I'm blushing . . .

I prefer to try and keep the spirit of the film alive in my (recent) fics, but people are free to write whatever they want. I'm glad to hear that you like my fics! ^__^

Kiaras name was gonna be Shani but then how do u explain about how simba is so over protective and like the scene where kiaras tail tuft falls on top of her head?i think they are all hints to make u wonder where the old cub went,accept i have heard that people have asked disney about a cub and they said no cub exsisted,but yet,it did...so who knows i jsut like the idea and story of kopa i also like the story of tanabi.

It'd be cool if they made a fourth lionking about kopa,i would love that all of the lionking sequels are awesome,not just good but awesome,i think they would make a good lionking four.maybe we should make a petition about this cause i think its a good idea.

There seems to be two sides to this whole story here.

First Theory. (fanbased theory)
Kopa is Simba and Nala's first son. He appeared at the end of the first Lion King. He appeared in the book Six New Adventures. But he was not in the 2nd movie at all without even his named being mentioned. There are some hints though that he might of been real though in the movie, for instance like you guys said about Kiara falling down and her tail over her head and it looked like Kopa's mane style. The other is how overprotective Simba is. The main theory why Kopa isn't in TLK2 is most likely because he died. I highly doubt that he grew up and left the pride because it hasn't been that long between the two movies (Zira says that Kovu was picked by Scar to be his successor, so that means Kovu was around when Scar was still alive. and in TLK2 Kovu is a cub still) Another major theory is that Zira killed Kopa, and that is the reason why she was exiled along with the other lionesses who were followers of Scar.In my opinion this is the most beliveable theory. Nala also seems very angry with Zira when they run into each other every once in awhile. There is a good reason why Zira could have killed Kopa anyway. She wanted Kovu to be the next king, but she wouldn't be able to kill Simba because he's much stronger than her, so she killed Kopa who's next in line. So why isn't Kopa mentioned in the movie? There are plenty of good reasons why. Simba doesn't want Kiara to find out what happened to her brother.He also doesn't seem to tell Kiara that Scar is her great uncle either, for instance when Kovu was explaining how he's not related to Scar but he's still part of him I was waiting for Kiara to say something like "I'm more related to Scar than you are" or something along those lines, but she didn't. So I don't think Simba told her about the relationship. So it seems that Simba keeps a lot of things away from Kiara. Simba also keeps his past a secret to Kiara and never mentions about being blamed for Mufasa's death and then turning his back on the past. (though he does say that phrase it a few times, Kiara doesn't understand and takes it literally)

The last theory of what happened to Kopa is that he went out wandering and he was killed by someone else other than Zira or the other lionesses. Killed by what is my question? Kopa is the prince of the pridelands and it seems all of the animals (besides the hyenas) respected lions greatly and would never harm them. Even the other big cats in Africa. No one would of been hunting him down. And Nuka even says that the hyenas left after Scar died so unless he fell of a cliff or something I highly doubt he was killed by someone else other than Zira.

Second Theory (disney theory)
This theory I don't like as much, but it probably is true. When they had the baby in TLK1 they just had him there as a boy, When Lion King first came out the creaters didn't think it would be a big hit, they were more focused on Pocahontas, so they probably didn't think of ever making a sequal. When they were planning on the sequal since Lion King was a huge hit, the plot line was messed up because Simba's child was a boy. They planned on having Scar' successor try and overthrow Simba, but they fall in love with Simba's cub. But, if Simba's cub was a boy then Zira's child had to be a girl, and Scar wouldn't pick a girl to be the successor of Scar, so it ruined the whole plot, so what did they do? Make Simba's cub a girl. and that fixed everything, except the last scene of the Lion King 1 when the baby cub is clearly a boy.
They did have other plans that Kiara did have a brother, if this was supposed to be Kopa or not, who knows.



But I have been wandering lately. When they made the lion king dvd, wouldn't you think they would have redone the last scene of the Lion King to make the baby at the end look like a girl so it woundn't go against the Lion King 2? They did it in Star Wars at the end with Anakin. But they didn't change it and the baby at the end of The Lion King is still a boy, so I guess we'll never know unless Disney creates a full statement about the issue.

(But I'm hoping that Kopa is true in the Lion King movies besides the books)

i agree with u on all of this and ur right even thoguh we dont like the second theory,its probably true.

Maybe because he wants to forget the past...

I think the first one of the theories could be true. It is logical.

Fox: I agree. The first theory sounds like it would make sense (especially with Simba's overprotectiveness of Kiara in SP - he didn't want the same thing to happen to Kiara as what happened to his first-born.)

SimbasGuard: Well, I think Simba would have exiled the Outlanders mainly because of their loyalty to Scar and not to him IMO. Perhaps they did kill Kopa, or maybe they didn't, but it makes sense: Zira wanted "Scar's heir" to take over the throne; Since Kopa was next, get rid of him, and then get rid of Simba. (Of course, my fanfic about Kopa spins a different tale . . . but I'll leave it at that.)

Of course, it would have been nice if the TLK movies mentioned Kopa.

Spirit Fox: Nice theories! As I mentioned above, I agree more with the first one. To back up your second theory on how badly the boyish-looking cub messed things up, here's something that's interesting:

- In several TLK books that retell the story of the film, the earlier ones (from before SP) say that Simba and Nala's cub is either male or just known as a "cub" (no gender, so it could go either way), while most (not all of them) of the ones released after TLK2's release change the cub's gender to female (to acknowledge that the cub is, in fact, Kiara - probably to not confuse kids with this whole situation of another cub). Odd, huh?

- Juuchan17

[quote="KKTimberWolf"][quote="Dusty Fanatic"]Kiara was supposed to have a brother named Tanabi,and Nala's little brother was gonna be named Mheetu[/quote]Tanabi is a fan fic name,he never exsisted and kiara was supposed to have a older brother called chaka[supposedly]and nala was supposed to have a little brother called mehutoo or however you spell it.And in TLK2,Kiaras tail tuft falls on top of her head and makes her look like Kopa,thats suspicious to me.[/quote]

that is i good suggestion but i though it was kopa at the end of LK1 and kiara in the beginig of LK2 i did read the other posts but sorry if i just repeated somthing

another fan theory is Kopa was kidnapped by another lioness shortly after his birth or before SP I forget which .. and Simba and co somehow believe he was dead or killed by Zira thus the banishment of them. Kopa after SP grows up comes back Simba and Co are happy that he's back , but who going to be King? Kovu or Kopa? I thought that was a tad interesting..

^ That is also another interesting theory. I have the impression that Kovu and Kiara don't really want to be heir to the throne (for instance when Kiara is a cub she says she doesn't want to be Queen) oddly enough Simba was the complete opposite when he was a cub, it wasn't until he was older that he realized he didn't want to be king until Rafiki knocked some sense into him. Anyways, Kovu doesn't seem too interested in being King, the only reason why he's there is because he loves Kiara. So if Kopa ever did come back and wanted to be King, I'm sure that Kovu and Kiara wouldn't mind. But it would probably be up to Simba, and since Kopa is oldest he would get it anyway.

Tanabi is only in fanfics.I've never heard of Chaka,but Kopa was born before Kiara.He was cubnapped by Zira to give to her sister Malana because,besides Nuka,there was no other males to mate with her.So Zira slipped into Pride Rock and cubnapped Kopa,leaving blood of a zebra behind in his place.