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do you think pit bulls and dangerous dogs should be banned?
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I have done research on pitbulls and it didn't say anything about peoples owners training them to kill, if they did, I'm sure they would pick a bigger dog like a Great Dane or something, why pitbulls? There less then half the size.

By the sounds of it you havent done very good research, grab a pen and paper and I'll give you a lesson on pitbulls. Yeah sure a Great Dane is tall but they do not have strong jaws like the pitbull, you know were the skull cracks on most of the bully breeds at the top of their heads well a pitbull has muscles gowing from there to the bottom of their jaws and that is how they get lock jaw. That is why stupid people use them not for size but for power. Oh and another thing Pitbulls were bred for baiting bulls but as time whent on thay became DOG killing machines people used and still do train them for dog fighting BUT and its a big but, they can not have a killing machine that attacks people as well as dogs because if they have to get in the middle of the two dogs they do not want to get bitten them selves! So when people first started to train pitties as fighting dogs they would beat them every time they bit a human, long story short the dogs learnt fast that biting people was wrong but biting dogs was ok and so when they got into fights their owners could get in the middle and pull them apart! And so I PROVE MY POINT!!!!! PITBULLS ARE NOT PEOPLE AGGRESSIVE BUT THEY ARE DOG AGGRESSIVE!


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I have done research on pitbulls and it didn't say anything about peoples owners training them to kill, if they did, I'm sure they would pick a bigger dog like a Great Dane or something, why pitbulls? There less then half the size.

By the sounds of it you havent done very good research, grab a pen and paper and I'll give you a lesson on pitbulls. Yeah sure a Great Dane is tall but they do not have strong jaws like the pitbull, you know were the skull cracks on most of the bully breeds at the top of their heads well a pitbull has muscles gowing from there to the bottom of their jaws and that is how they get lock jaw. That is why stupid people use them not for size but for power. Oh and another thing Pitbulls were bred for baiting bulls but as time whent on thay became DOG killing machines people used and still do train them for dog fighting BUT and its a big but, they can not have a killing machine that attacks people as well as dogs because if they have to get in the middle of the two dogs they do not want to get bitten them selves! So when people first started to train pitties as fighting dogs they would beat them every time they bit a human, long story short the dogs learnt fast that biting people was wrong but biting dogs was ok and so when they got into fights their owners could get in the middle and pull them apart! And so I PROVE MY POINT!!!!! PITBULLS ARE NOT PEOPLE AGGRESSIVE BUT THEY ARE DOG AGGRESSIVE!


I'm sorry Chasity but, he or she is correct. If you did research it's not a surpirse you didn't find anything. People aren't exactly trying to broadcast their pitt bull fighting to the world only to a limited amount of like-minded people.Yes, they are trained to kill.

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Blaming the public for this perception is plain stupidity. If anything, you should blame the news media, and every idiot criminal who buys and breeds such dogs for unethical purposes, and ALSO every idiot "wigger" teenager or twenty-something moron who's got masculinity issues (you know the type...you've seen them: they've got a wife-beater shirt on, a little too much jewelry, over-sized baggy pants, unbelievably-expensive basketball sneakers, and a baseball cap turned back, or else a visor cap turned back AND upside down...listen to gangsta rap and real hard, aggressive rock). THEY are the ones who seem to gravitate to the dangerous-looking, large bully breeds because they seem to be insecure in their own masculinity (and maybe compensating for it somehow by purchasing such a dog) because it makes them appear "bad" themselves.


That's exactly why I want one, I personally couldn't see myself walking around with a chihuahua. XD

Sounds like a very poor reason to get a bully breed if you ask me. You've just proved my point...and you're a girl! (Not that there aren't girls who think this way either.)

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Common citizens, who feel the way they do about bully breeds, may be SOMEWHAT misinformed, but they are NOT to blame. After all, most of those breeds WERE designed for fighting, or baiting bulls, or for use as war dogs. It is in their design to be aggressive and protective.


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Exactly, that's what I've been trying to say..

I think you may have misunderstood me. I was saying that people who fear and dislike pit bulls must NOT be blamed for their feelings. It is the news media and all the wrong kind of idiots who own bully breeds (not meaning ALL owners of such dogs) who should be blamed.

These dogs, because they were BRED to do a certain thing, present a conceivably higher risk factor. Do I have proof? No. But when a dog is bred to do a certain thing, it will. You cannot, CANNOT breed that out of them. Not after the amount of designing and breeding that went into creating them.

And (to "All Powerful Warrior Cat") pit bulls CAN be people aggressive, if raised by an unethical owner. As all bully breeds and, really, any dog can. However, bully breeds, and especially pit bulls, have the stigma attached to them. Whether or not that will ever change is an academic question.


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well typed BS I applaud you *bows* Chasity are you compensating for something or just trying to be 'bad' or both I didnt really understand your answer to BS's post. Oh and BS I do understand that Pitbulls can and will be people aggressive if brought up the wrong way, maybe I layed out the end of my post wrong what I was trying to get across was that when the dogs were firt trained to be fighters they were trained not to bite people so there owners could pull them apart but as most people say things change and so do people and now people train them to bite dogs and humans alike. To be absolutley honest I think it is the people who should be banned not the dogs but we all know that is never going to happen :roll:


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someday there will be no dogs if we let this happen.next will probaly be the german shepard then the poodle or the husky.

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Pittbulls are dangerous. I don't trust them. Most of them are killers and they attack and sometimes kill people or their pets.


Let's not start this argument again, shall we?

I just want to say, it depends on the handler. Of course, Pit Bulls were bred to fight but when in the correct hands and with firm training they can be very sweet dogs. It is just stereo-typical to say that all Pit Bulls attack people.

MOST of them ARE NOT killers and it would be very rare for a Pit Bull to KILL a person. They like people, it's other dogs they are wary of. I'm not flaming, don't take me wrong, I'm just.. explaining.


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It doesn't ALWAYS depend on the handler. Pittbull can turn on you, no matter what kind of training you give them.

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It doesn't ALWAYS depend on the handler. Pittbull can turn on you, no matter what kind of training you give them.


let me ask you a question DID YOU READ ANY OF OUR POSTS?! any dog can attack and kill a person as we have said before but it takes cruelty to make a killing machine!!!! I SUGGEST YOU DO YOUR HOME WORK ON THIS BREED BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING IN THE TERMS OF
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Pittbulls are dangerous. I don't trust them. Most of them are killers and they attack and sometimes kill people or their pets.
In my opinoin people who talk like that about the breed are just as bad as the people who made them the way they are!!!! oh and just remember 1 thing ALL DOGS CAME FROM THE WOLF EVEN PITBULLS!!!!!


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It doesn't ALWAYS depend on the handler. Pittbull can turn on you, no matter what kind of training you give them.


let me ask you a question DID YOU READ ANY OF OUR POSTS?! any dog can attack and kill a person as we have said before but it takes cruelty to make a killing machine!!!! I SUGGEST YOU DO YOUR HOME WORK ON THIS BREED BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING IN THE TERMS OF
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This is my opinion:

Pittbulls are dangerous. I don't trust them. Most of them are killers and they attack and sometimes kill people or their pets.
In my opinoin people who talk like that about the breed are just as bad as the people who made them the way they are!!!! oh and just remember 1 thing ALL DOGS CAME FROM THE WOLF EVEN PITBULLS!!!!!

APWC, calm down please. Flaming people for stating their opinions, even if you don't like those opinions, is not intelligent.

More off, I find that pit bull owners and advocates tend to be rather, well, if you'll forgive the pun, "rabid" about anyone who says even the slightest criticism about them. That's not going to endear people to pit bulls OR their owners and advocates. Rather, it just makes you look like another bad, foul-tempered, and unethical pit bull owner.

You should try to respond intelligently and calmly, or not at all. People may sometimes be misinformed, but I told you about this earlier. The breed will always have a stigma attached to it, because pit bull attacks on people are generally more vicious and more thorough than attacks by other dogs, and they DO generate more news coverage (right or wrong). That's not the fault of the people who fear pit bulls, or have a negative opinion of them.


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i'm going to get a mod to lock this i think my topic started a flame war

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Aluewolf15 wrote:
It doesn't ALWAYS depend on the handler. Pittbull can turn on you, no matter what kind of training you give them.


Proof, please?

It does always depend on the owner. If the owner is a young person who only wants the Pit Bull to show off to his friends and to scare the hell out of little kids then yes, that dog is likely to turn on a human in the future. If the dog is owned by a gang who wish to use it as a fighting dog then yes, it will turn on other dogs in the future. However, if the dog is owned by a strong, gentle handler who socializes it as a puppy and trains it well then it is VERY unlikely that it will ever turn on anyone.

ANY dog can be mean. Pit Bulls are just considered more likely to turn nasty because of their fighting blood. I'll say again, you can't stereo-type one breed as a killer.

This board won't flame so long as people don't get carried away and they accept the facts.


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my neighbor had a rottweiler and she was SOOO sweet, but she was run over...and i swear, she was NEVER agressice or mean!


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my neighbor had a rottweiler and she was SOOO sweet, but she was run over...and i swear, she was NEVER agressice or mean!

see thats what i'm trying to tell these people that rottweilers,dobermans,and pit bulls are really nice dogs

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i think this is going to turn into a flame war...some dogs are nice and some are mean. i think thats really it...although it does depend on the trainers.


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yea they are dangous but they shouldn't be banned... thats like putting a ban on car that can go over 20mph...

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