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ooops!! didn't mean to repeat that last message!!!

Yes, excactly.

Oooh.. I really don't like halters. As said, I wouldn't want my nose yanked back and fourth. Harnesses, choke chains and prong collars are much more fair on the dog.. he has to have some freedom.

I have just tried the prong collar and my dog responds to it really well. I have taken him on some walks it works really well. My other friend wants to teach tricks to him. Well see how that works out. I just wanted to thank ya for all the advice and other stuff. If anyone wants to talk to me pm or I'm usally on shout box and rp box.

okay I didn't know what a prong was and had to look it up...and OMG I can't beleive anyone would buy them! Especially for a dog's mere excitement of going for a walk!

It doesn't actually hurt them that bad. When I used it with my dog he wasen't hurt. It gives them a small poke that doesn't hurt them but get there attention. Yes, I know he is excited to go for a walk but I want to him to behave better and that doesn't include running off and dragging me behind. He is also hyper to so...

IF it were to hurt the dog as much as you are thinking, the pet experts at the stores wouldn't recommend them, or sell them, would they?

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just explaining, their not as harsh as they look, trust me, I know.

I have a prong collar that I use on occasion but since I purchased a Gentle Leader I really have no use for it any more. Seriously consider a head halter, once the dog gets used to the feel of it it is the ultimate in control. You won't find any pinch, choke, or harness more effective, I guarantee it.

A prong collar, just like many other training tools, is only effective(or in this case safe) if used the proper way. I've seen people abuse the prong collar and I've seen it work wonders, it's all in the way you use it. I do basic training dogs in my neighborhood and there are some cases I've seen owners using prong collars on dogs who really shouldn't be wearing prong collars. Sometimes just a little discomfort(as the prong collar exibits) will completely flip a dog out, they need a more gentle alternative. The prong collar, used the way it is supposed to, will not hurt the dog in any way. It slightly pinches the skin, usually getting an immidiate responce. The "pinch" collar is a training tool usually used until the dog doesn't need it, a head halter is more of an everyday thing. I prefer the head halter because it gives you more control but just like the prong it can be harmful if used the wrong way just the same. Experiement with different methods and get a trainer's advice if you aren't sure how to use a tool.

Actually, I have an Alaskan Malamute and for her regular "Walks" I have a leather harness, and I put it on her.Then, I hook her up to my plastic wagon, and she pulls me while im steering her with a leash!

Just like Terrierqueen said Prong collars really aren't that bad when used the right way. I have seen wonders done with prong collars.. and for the very very stubborn dogs, a shock collar. I only use shock collars as a very last resort however. The prong collar I own has a limited slip setup which keeps the collar from tightening beyond a certain point, therefore keeping it from puncturing the skin or choking . The point of the collar is to get the dogs attention and.. from my point of view on animal behavior and communication.. to replicate the reflex of relaxing when another dog, like the mother, would grab a pup by it's scruff.

Choke collars on the other hand can be very dangerous to use.. I'm surprised they are still used. Though they look less harmful then prong collars, nothing can be further from the truth... atleast from the prong collars i've used. Most choke collars don't have a limited slip design so you may keep pulling the choke chain until you cut the airway off completely. Even more deadly is using a choke chain as a regular collar. A dog can very easily be caught up on something and hang themselves. I've seen it happen way to many times to unsuspecting dog owners.

Somebody else mentioned Patience.. more then once I believe Dog training does indeed take patience and dedication. Your dog will not learn anything unless you consistently practice the commands you've taught. And teach in steps. Don't expect your dog to sit on the first time you say sit. Lead him/her through the command then reward. I wholeheartedly believe in positive-reinforcement training. That is leading through a command and rewarding the dog with something the dog associates as a treat. Whether it be petting, or simply a dog treat (small biscuits, hot dog slices) just make sure the treats, if edible, are very small as you don't want your dog overeating on treats.

Hope that helps some.. let me know if you want to know more.. I've got plenty more knowledge on this subject.. just thought I'd stop myself before I write a whole book

Teach him heel and read Katz on Dogs.

It does NOT hurt a dog to have a prong collar used.

Honestly, if you've never used one, or have never seen one, you should NOT go about it that way. They are such a usefull tool when trying to train dogs in obedience. They don't hurt at all - if you ever see one, try it on your arm. You'll see then.

Chasity is right in the prong collar workings.

And I pmed you, Blue flamed wolf.

LOL, I would assume so, you were the one who convinced me. (Yep, I had another name change. XDD)

Prong collars work great for training, tell your dog to sit and pull it a little, they'll sit right away! Though, if you pull it to hard and your dog yelps...That's wrong..

I have a metal choke collar for my dog, but I don't use it, I just put it around her neck 'cause I think it looks "stylish." XD

When she was a pup and still learning how to stay in the yard, she wore a collar and we attached it to a chain in the yard. She tried jumping the fence one day and got stuck, she nearly choked to death! If it were a choke collar, she probably would have. Luckily Shandi, this little girl who thinks she's my best friend, (XD) saw her and came to tell me. I only let my dog in when she barks or scratches at the door, so I never would have expected it..

First of all, it can hurt and kill them. Especailly with dogs who pull and pull. It will pull against their skin, break it, and possibly kill them. I really don't enjoy using those sort of collars, but I had to, especially on my german shepherd, although I needed something better for her but thats another story...

It depends on the dog what works best. Like, if you get one of those prong collars, and your dog CONTINUES to pull uncontrolably, then you SHOULD look into something different for them. Because my neighbor has a golden retriever. He is a sweet dog, but lotsa energy. So, they have a prong collar for him. And he doesn't pull with it, at least not to the point where it chokes him. It works good for him. But, if I didn't use that with him on walks, he would pull.

But on a dog like my shepherd, you need something more. Because she will pull herself til she begins to bleed. I know, I had to fix her up when it happened. I no longer use that collar, but I am sure now that I am not with my dad, when my step mom walks her (if she does) then she would use it. I disaprove of it on my dog, because she is just to excited and will pull til it kills her.

you have a point there about how some dogs do pull until they bleed or can kill themselves with that collar.

well sorry blue I realy dunno how to do that I quese once they get old they stop pulling (sometimes) but you can probly get him a chocking harness that works for my young mutt so yeah get a chocking harness