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Fieto

People... do you really think this is leading anywhere? It would be wise to close this topic, really.

Both parties seem to completely have lost objectivity over the entire discussion by now. I have to repeat - I'm an animal lover, conservationist and scientist... and I believe there aren't many people who did already do as much for animals as I did... yet - what makes me crazy - that are people who say: "animals are better than humans - they are soo nice - and the world would be soo much better without humans... as animals never do something bad". Obviously you're all forgetting that humans are "natures" offspring, same as all other animals, and that animals aren't less egotistical in their behavior.

The question you've to ask is - if an animal would be in our position... how would it behave? Wouldn't it eat animals and organisms that are lower in the food chain? Wouldn't it do everything for the success of its own kind?

Life is not fair... life NEVER was fair. One of the best examples for it is nature itself, which bases the development of species on the most cruel system known: survival of the fittest - and extinction of the unfittest.

On our whole planet, there's only one species that can figure fairness over the entire circle of life: homo sapiens. Without us, animals would still go extinct, but without even being noticed. Indeed, we did cause severe damage to the entire ecosystem - it's an effect of overpopulation. But that's a step of evolution for nature to go through, actually. The problem is - as much as I like to protect wild animals... we can't do anything against the main reason for their "failure": we ourselves. We'd need to kill off more than 3/4 of the world-wide human population to reach a significant change, and that's simply something that won't ever happen. We can't really do more than waiting for ecological disasters that will get rid of us.

We, however, are the top of the food chain. That's a fact nobody can change. We are the most successful advanced form of life on our planet... and that makes us ruling over the beasts. It's sad that humans seem to be "too primitive" to care for the entire biodiversity, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that we're supreme to other species. It's logical that an animal's life counts less in our society. (eventhough, for me personally, I respect my animal friends more than humans, for various reasons)

If you say: "animal testing is not right, we could solve the problems with technology..." - you're completely wrong. Technology and knowledge may help us to find new formula, but can't "test" how a living organism reacts on it. Medicaments are always poisonous at a certain dosis and application - and animal tests for medical reasons serve exactly the purpose - to find out if it's too dangerous to use these drugs, and what medication can be recommended. Animal testing avoids the loss of human lives through a treatment. After all, it isn't only animals that go through such testing. Final tests are done on people that sign an agreement and get paid for testing the medicaments.

So, if you say we shouldn't test on animals, then you either have to deny any medicament, or to accept the risk of dying when using them. I'm pretty sure: many of your relatives, or even you yourself, wouldn't be living anymore today, if such animal testing wouldn't exist.

What I agree on the other hand, that's that medical testing needs better control, as many animal lives get wasted by it today. Same as animal testing for cosmetics (or any other luxury good that doesn't really better our physical life) should be forbidden. That's unneeded killing of innocent lives.

Orlando_4_Eva,I have to disagree,for a couple of reasons....1.animals have better sight,smell,and taste 2.they can sense things that we can't.

Erm you're point is?

Nicely said Kovu. Well apart from the locking part. XD

My point is,that animals are superior to humans,rather than humans being superior to animals.

Apparently not - otherwise you've to explain me why we're on top of the food chain.

I agree that a world without humans wouldn't be "stupid"... as animals have a lot of great capabilities humans could only dream of, and as it's primarily humans that act stupid in this world.

But there's a reason for our dominance, and that reason surely isn't that animals are "superior" to us.

Animals can see,hear,and smell things that we are unable to,that's the point I'm trying to make.

Just because they can do that doesn't mean that doesn't make animal testing wrong.

I'm completely sorry if I did any further flaming to your animal testing topic,forgive me?

Humans are ANIMALS.

We evolved from them, no one is suprior.

God can only decide that and I assure you no one on this earth can have judgement like GOD.

Topic locked because this is turning into a flame war.