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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:33 pm 



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My mom says she won't let me come here if these kind of fanfictions keep coming up.

Good on your mother. She's a smart woman.


Actually I think she's over-reacting.Anyone has the power to not read the stories they dislike.Writing shouildn't have to have 'content rules',and Olivia doesn't have to read the stories that weould offend her or her mother.

I still maintain that such stories do not belong on a kid-friendly site. There are places for such things, and they're being here is WRONG.

Now, until the day that Steet decides that Balto Source is actually NOT a kid-friendly site; that it should be a place for pornography, sexually-explicit art and other forms of expression, and other manner of unwholesome garbage, then people will have every right to continue complaining about its presence here and, in fact, Olivia's mother had every right to react the way she did. PERIOD.

And when that day comes, I will leave for good. And I will see to it that every trace of the true story information is taken off of this site...as it is vile and hurtful insult to the memory of the real Balto, Togo, Fritz, Leonhard Seppala, Gunnar Kaasen, Curtis Welch, and every other individual (canine or human) which was involved in the Serum Run, or affected by the diphtheria outbreak. And it also cheapens the innocence and decency of the Balto cartoons.

And all you panderers can enjoy all the philandering, groping, gesticulating, and debasing you wish. And I'll keep my clean conscience. (Oh...and I haven't made one religious statement, so don't try to pin some religious prudishness on me for this stance. You people want to support base, unwholesome and unhealthy art forms, then don't turn any disagreement with it into a religious issue...least of all with me).


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:49 pm 
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Olivia_loves_Link wrote:
My mom says she won't let me come here if these kind of fanfictions keep coming up.

Good on your mother. She's a smart woman.


Actually I think she's over-reacting.Anyone has the power to not read the stories they dislike.Writing shouildn't have to have 'content rules',and Olivia doesn't have to read the stories that weould offend her or her mother.

I still maintain that such stories do not belong on a kid-friendly site. There are places for such things, and they're being here is WRONG.

Now, until the day that Steet decides that Balto Source is actually NOT a kid-friendly site; that it should be a place for pornography, sexually-explicit art and other forms of expression, and other manner of unwholesome garbage, then people will have every right to continue complaining about its presence here and, in fact, Olivia's mother had every right to react the way she did. PERIOD.

And when that day comes, I will leave for good. And I will see to it that every trace of the true story information is taken off of this site...as it is vile and hurtful insult to the memory of the real Balto, Togo, Fritz, Leonhard Seppala, Gunnar Kaasen, Curtis Welch, and every other individual (canine or human) which was involved in the Serum Run, or affected by the diphtheria outbreak. And it also cheapens the innocence and decency of the Balto cartoons.

And all you panderers can enjoy all the philandering, groping, gesticulating, and debasing you wish. And I'll keep my clean conscience. (Oh...and I haven't made one religious statement, so don't try to pin some religious prudishness on me for this stance. You people want to support base, unwholesome and unhealthy art forms, then don't turn any disagreement with it into a religious issue...least of all with me).


Like I said,writing and art should NOT have to be contained and pruned by people like you who can't see that some of us enjoy violence.I'm NOT saying turn-this-site-into-a-porn-site,I'm saying that all these "rules" over fanfiction content are unnecessary.Now,I think that limiting it to R-rating is good,no porn stories are needed,but there shouldn't be some no-violence-or-anything allowed rule.You need to stop and consider that you're being very stuck-up about this in beliving that art and writing needs rules and that people should only write by these guidelines.It's all pointless.

No no. No. Really. You people who seem to be fixated on violence, sexual deviance, sexual explicitness, and so on need to find a forum suitable to that kind of entertainment, and leave a K-I-D--F-R-I-E-N-D-L-Y site ALONE.

No one says you can't have your entertainment and enjoy it. People have that right. But either this site is maintained by HYPOCRITES (and I didn't mean that as an attack on Steet, but rather to emphasize my point, and how people with any modicum of intelligence AND morality WILL see this), or it is a site for people who pander in base entertainment. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the "kid-friendly" moniker is taken from this site for good (and all things pertaining to the real history be taken off for the sake of not dragging them down with this base entertainment), or the base entertainment goes SOMEWHERE ELSE.


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I think we need to work out some sort of compromise on this before another war starts. The fanfiction authors need the freedom to express themselves without being told, "You're tainting the image of Balto!" or "UR SICK!", and the other members need a balance that helps this site remain (mostly) kid-friendly. I think we should put our energy into resolving the issue instead of fueling the fights. I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but I think it's what we should be doing rather than fighting.


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WRITING SHOULD NOT HAVE RULES.Never.It's people's creativity,and people who do this with rules are taking away our freedom to express ourselves.


I agree totaly with TikTac. Half of my writting comes form my feelings and being told I couldn't write like that is wrong. Acculy, it's part of the first amendment that we can write however we want.

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If I really felt compelled to leave you alone,I'd leave this place.But you know what?People like you just aren't worth it.I don't want to start a fight,but you're really being stuck up.Let me again repeat the point I'm trying to make:

WRITING SHOULD NOT HAVE RULES.Never.It's people's creativity,and people who do this with rules are taking away our freedom to express ourselves.Actually consider what I'm saying for once.

We can go around and around on this. However, I have heard what you said each time. Perhaps you should consider what I'M saying. And I can't believe you've failed to acknowledge it!

I have said (repeatedly here and elsewhere) that no one should quash a person's creativity. (Incidentally, there ARE rules to good writing. That is a standard of the art form.) But there are LEGITIMATE PLACES for what you consider to be entertaining reading. A KID-FRIENDLY place is NOT IT.

Oh, and it's either KID-FRIENDLY, or it isn't. It can't be (mostly) kid-friendly. That's ridiculous.


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WRITING SHOULD NOT HAVE RULES.Never.It's people's creativity,and people who do this with rules are taking away our freedom to express ourselves.


I agree totaly with TikTac. Half of my writting comes form my feelings and being told I couldn't write like that is wrong. Acculy, it's part of the first amendment that we can write however we want.

The U.S. Constitution also guarantees individuals and groups the right to establish private clubs and organizations, with their own rules. However, this is not simply a U.S. forum. It is a WORLD forum, started by someone who lives in France. Citing the U.S. Constitution might be admirable, but it is irrelevant to those who do not live in the U.S.


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Olivia_loves_Link wrote:
My mom says she won't let me come here if these kind of fanfictions keep coming up.


Your mum knows what she's talking about. I know I've seen enough incest and gay fics to last me a lifetime.
Can't we find some other topics to write on, people?

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Anyone has the power to not read the stories they dislike.Writing shouildn't have to have 'content rules',and Olivia doesn't have to read the stories that would offend her or her mother.


You're right, TikTac, personal writing shouldn't have 'content rules,' but when you decide to put it up on a website that's more geared toward kids there will be things that just aren't allowed.
And by the way, Olvia's mum has every right to feel that way. What started out kid-friendly when I arrived has since evolved, shall we say, into a more teen-friendly site.
Thankfully, there's no way to hide 'suggestive' art, but fanfics should show some restraint. Now, I'm not saying that we should all write happy, fairy-tale stories about Balto and wolves, but for pity's sake can we give the incest and the gayness a rest?

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Again, all I ask is that writers use moderation, common sense, warnings, and prepare for any moderatly young readers.

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If I ever decide to write a fanfic,I'll certainly obey every rule.*salutes*

Well, I'm glad you're willing to adjust for any younger readers that may come along, but I figure they're more like guidelines any how. :wink:

-LWf


"...but I figure they're more like guidelines any how."
C'mon guys, calm down. I'm not here to impose rules on everyone, just to state what I think writers should use as guidlines with their own common sense.
Now please drop the 'rule' issue. These are not rules. They're guidlines to help writers.

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No no. No. Really. You people who seem to be fixated on violence, sexual deviance, sexual explicitness, and so on need to find a forum suitable to that kind of entertainment, and leave a K-I-D--F-R-I-E-N-D-L-Y site ALONE.

No one says you can't have your entertainment and enjoy it. People have that right. But either this site is maintained by HYPOCRITES (and I didn't mean that as an attack on Steet, but rather to emphasize my point, and how people with any modicum of intelligence AND morality WILL see this), or it is a site for people who pander in base entertainment. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the "kid-friendly" moniker is taken from this site for good (and all things pertaining to the real history be taken off for the sake of not dragging them down with this base entertainment), or the base entertainment goes SOMEWHERE ELSE.


You've made your point well, BaltoSeppala. I know you're concerned about the growing number of 'questionable' fics on the site. I am too. But I must say that there are fics that don't 'pander in base entertainment.' There are writers who prefer to stay away from these topics like you do.

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If I really felt compelled to leave you alone,I'd leave this place.But you know what?People like you just aren't worth it.I don't want to start a fight,but you're really being stuck up.Let me again repeat the point I'm trying to make:

WRITING SHOULD NOT HAVE RULES.Never.It's people's creativity,and people who do this with rules are taking away our freedom to express ourselves.Actually consider what I'm saying for once.



How many times need I say it? These are not rules. They are guidlines.
And I really must object to your claim that your freedom is being taken away.
This is a site run by a webmaster, steet, and he decides what can and can't come on this site. He then tells the mods, and they do their best to carry it out.
Do you realize how many incest/gay fics are either on the site or being written in the database?
In essence, the writers only have freedom because steet and/or the mods allowed their fics onto the site.

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TikTac wrote:
WRITING SHOULD NOT HAVE RULES.Never.It's people's creativity,and people who do this with rules are taking away our freedom to express ourselves.


I agree totaly with TikTac. Half of my writting comes form my feelings and being told I couldn't write like that is wrong. Acculy, it's part of the first amendment that we can write however we want.

The U.S. Constitution also guarantees individuals and groups the right to establish private clubs and organizations, with their own rules. However, this is not simply a U.S. forum. It is a WORLD forum, started by someone who lives in France. Citing the U.S. Constitution might be admirable, but it is irrelevant to those who do not live in the U.S.


You make a good point, this is a world forum, and the US laws may or may not affect the users of this site.



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Nobody should be persecuted just because a few people don't like their writing.You act like we all have to go by these 'rules' when in fact,THERE ARE NO RULES IN WRITING.There's no such thing as a 'good story'.It's all an opinion to the reader wether it's good or not,not a fact of life.


Did I hear right? 'Persecuted,' you say?!
No one is being persecuted, but if you'd us like to start, we can.
And it's not just 'a few people,' TikTac. There are many who disagree with these types of stories, including myself.

Now, since I'm a fanfiction mod, I feel you expect some sort of statement out of me, so here:

The statements I orriginally made on the content of fanfics on this site were never meant to be rules, and should only be used as guidlines along with one's own common sense.
I try to be fair by letting people of all writing backgrounds, styles, and level get onto this site, but there are some who seem to be abusing this privelage.
Should conditions not improve, there may come a day when there are rules that govern absolutely what may and may not enter this site. We the mods and steet are trying to be considerate and understanding toward all manner of stories, but we do not take kindly to those who abuse the privelage of posting on these forums and on this site.

Read the guidlines, use good judgement, and be wary that the privelage to post nearly whatever you want is only just that: a privelage.

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Thanks, Sarafina.
I just don't want anyone thinking these are rules they have to obey.
If you ever do write a fic, I wish you luck!

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