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Did you watch the Christmas special? She helped him out there.

And about Killer,Maybe so,maybe not,but last I saw him he was pushing Ann-Marie out of the water,but he is in the series so who knows?

That is true, but Carface earned her help first. It wasn't just outta the blue.

And I never saw much of the series, but the second movie took place before right? ...so I guess that leaves my theory out

Also true,but about your theory,the series was ment to be some sort of spin-off and really had nothing to do with the storyline itself (see topic in the series section)why Killer was even there I don't know,but again that's off-topic so (see topic in the series section)

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I'm sorry I didn't know,and I'm sorry that's your opinion of me,but if you're trying to drag me into a flame war it's not gonna happen.

By the way,I don't know everything, I'm only a person.

Wow. Ancient Fairy Dragon may have made a mistake, but that is absolutely NO reason for a post like that! You are reported!



And thanks, I'll have to check that out. Don't listen to what other person said, you make good conversation.

Obvious troll is obvious.

I agree, that Carface earned his trust with Annabelle. At the start you can see him calling Red...which makes me wonder if they were in a deal before he died or if that phone just makes collect calls to hell...

I think what ties up this is that, yes he's a coward, but it's because the writers may have found it funny that a once proud and powerfull mod boss is now a foot kisser to a cat.

We'd also appreciate it if you don't quote offending posts as it costs us a bit of time to edit them out (especially if multiple members quote them).

User "dammit" & AFD both use the same IP address so I suspect we might be dealing with a case of school-related cyber-bullying (and if this is the case I'll just mail that school's administration about it).

To try and set things back on topic, In the Christmas special,did you notice?He was working for Belladonna there-so I guess now he's just a hired gun(to use a mobster term)

I hardly recall the Christmas special...but I guess since All Dogs 2 that's all he will be, a hired gun.
It's like he was stripped of his rank as a crime boss once he died huh?

That part was a bit confusing...at first he worked alone, then with Red goes to hell but ends up working for Annabell's cousin?That really doen't make any since plus, Killer shows up in the Christmas special instead of ADGTH2?

For some reason I keep forgetting about that. That's just most likely the writers fault that Killer wasn't in ADGTH 2.
They tend to do that in many sequels. At least he was in the Christmas special to show he was still alive an' all.
What do you think it'd be like if Killer being the actual cowardly henchmen took Carface's place in ADGTH 2?

Also note time difference,How the heck did he get from New Orleans in the year 1939 to San Francisco in modern times?

That is also another good point. I think that is why Killer doesn't show up since he was still in New Orleans when Charlie died since he saved Anne Marie.

I guess they had to change his personality because they could not find a voice as menacing as Vic Tayback. Instead they lightened his character up, a little bit to "up" if you ask me. Even though they couldn't find a voice as menacing as Tayback's they used Ernest Borgnine who still had a good voice for a villain but they made Carface play more of Killer's roll in the second movie not the main villain like in the first movie or in the series. I was disapointed about his personality in the second and was glad to see he was the main villain once again in the series.

R.I.P.
Vic Tayback