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 Post subject: Re: A Werewolf Topic
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:34 am 
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Did you honestly just quote Wikipedia as an authority on ANYTHING? I'm sorry, Wikipedia doesn't even pass the most basic of research standards, and as such, I treat it as having absolutely no academic worth whatsoever. Fun to read? Certainly. Possibly informative, in an informal way? Indeed. Worthwhile when trying to actually research or prove something? Not in the slightest.



Oh and as long as you're being condescending, I'm quite positive I grasp the meaning of "homoerotic" much better than you do.

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Uh, yeah. Let's get back on the topic before this turns into a flame war here, okay?

Anyway if ya want to talk more about vampires I have a topic about Twilight on here which is the closest thing about vampires in general. Or, if your that serious about them then make a topic about them yourself. This is a werewolf topic!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:29 am 
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If I had to choose between the werewolf and the vampire,the werewolf.Not only because of my liking to wolves,but because werewolves don't seem to be evil or nearly as evil as vampires and seem to be more "neutral" unless provoked.The native americans believes that werewolves were the guardians of thee afterlife and that anyone who was killed by one simply wandered too close.In christianity they are sometimes potrayed as agents of GOD that were sent to hunt down cruel people.There are sighting of similar creature such as "the beast of Bray Road" and "Shunka Warakin".

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:00 pm 
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In christianity they are sometimes potrayed as agents of GOD that were sent to hunt down cruel people.

I'd love for you to explain wherever you got that idea...and the particular Christian sect which believes that. In old-world Christian beliefs (which carried over to the new world), the werewolf was seen as an agent of the devil...a beast of vile and horrifying evil (again, from the Wikipedia page on werewolves: "Werewolves in European tradition were mostly evil men who terrorized people in the form of wolves on command of the Devil, though there were rare narratives of people being transformed involuntarily." And since a large portion of European cultures were Christian by the time of the Holy Roman Empire, that predates the dark ages and the medieval period...by which time Christianity had spread even further across Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolf#European_cultures.) And I have yet to encounter any Christian sect which believes in the idea of werewolves (or any other mythological creatures) as "agents of God send to hunt down cruel people". Christian belief maintains that God himself is the only arbiter of judgement upon sinners.

Other helpful information on the actual views of werewolves, and werewolf mythological foundations: http://www.skepticworld.com/cryptozoology/werewolves.asp.


I'd have to go with that as well. More in Christianity, werewolves were agents of the DEVIL, whom made a pact for the magic salve that transformed their bodies into the contemporary image of the anthropomorphic werewolf we see a lot today. In many folklore stories, like Red Riding Hood, where wolves were antagonized is moreso because of the fact that during the Middle Ages, wolves were a common symbol of evil while the Pagan society actually worshipped ithem for their cunning and hunting ability.

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JerseyCaptain wrote:
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...werewolves don't seem to be evil or nearly as evil as vampires and seem to be more "neutral" unless provoked.

That does not jibe with most old world cultures. Not even new world ones. Since most European and Asian cultures feared and even reviled normal wolves as evil spirits and harbingers of doom, it is logical to conclude that werewolves were seen as demonic and horrifying beasts which killed without reason. To wit: http://www.skepticworld.com/cryptozoology/werewolves.asp. I've never heard, from any old European (and I have been around long enough to have talked to Europeans, and American immigrants from Europe, who were alive at the turn of the twentieth century) who thought of werewolves as "more 'neutral' unless provoked".


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The native americans believes that werewolves were the guardians of thee afterlife and that anyone who was killed by one simply wandered too close.

Actually, only certain tribes did...and you did not explain the why behind that belief (from the Wikipedia page on werewolves, which was well-researched and does not contain any noticeable flaws: "The Naskapi's believed that the caribou afterlife is guarded by giant wolves which kill careless hunters venturing too near." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolf#American_cultures.) In fact, the various Native peoples of the American continent had varying views of what WE call "werewolves", and which they often referred to by many other names (which cannot accurately, by the European/Asian standards, do not qualify as "werewolves")..."wendigo", "skinwalker" "mai-cob", etc.

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In christianity they are sometimes potrayed as agents of GOD that were sent to hunt down cruel people.

I'd love for you to explain wherever you got that idea...and the particular Christian sect which believes that. In old-world Christian beliefs (which carried over to the new world), the werewolf was seen as an agent of the devil...a beast of vile and horrifying evil (again, from the Wikipedia page on werewolves: "Werewolves in European tradition were mostly evil men who terrorized people in the form of wolves on command of the Devil, though there were rare narratives of people being transformed involuntarily." And since a large portion of European cultures were Christian by the time of the Holy Roman Empire, that predates the dark ages and the medieval period...by which time Christianity had spread even further across Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolf#European_cultures.) And I have yet to encounter any Christian sect which believes in the idea of werewolves (or any other mythological creatures) as "agents of God send to hunt down cruel people". Christian belief maintains that God himself is the only arbiter of judgement upon sinners.

Other helpful information on the actual views of werewolves, and werewolf mythological foundations: http://www.skepticworld.com/cryptozoology/werewolves.asp.

Do I look like I am making this up!?I was writing down exactly as I found this information.I never said the y always protrayed in that manner.You think you can come right up to me and tell me what to write?!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:14 pm 
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Do I look like I am making this up!?I was writing down exactly as I found this information.I never said the y always protrayed in that manner.You think you can come right up to me and tell me what to write?!

Tsk. There's that hot temper again. RELAX. :roll:

And, to use your standard tactics in response to anyone who tries to have an intelligent debate with you: "do you presume to be able to come onto this (or any other) forum and pass yourself off as the be-all, end-all know-it-all on any subject, even after a person responds with intelligent analysis and reference and quoted facts which contradict what you said? Hmm?

I am not trying to be a know-it-all!You just try to back talk me on everything.You want me to calm down,then Knock it off.

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I am not trying to be a know-it-all!You just try to back talk me on everything.You want me to calm down,then Knock it off.

Nope. I am not going to stop debating a point when there is intelligent counter-pointing to be made to your rather fantastic assertions. Which you still haven't explained. :lol:

I'm not explaining anything to you.I will only explain more complicated stuff to those who have deserved it.

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JerseyCaptain wrote:
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I'm not explaining anything to you.I will only explain more complicated stuff to those who have deserved it.

lol Loooovely. Well, since Dr. Rex has also agreed with me, and wondered where you were coming from, perhaps you'll explain it to him. Unless you feel he has "strained" your patience too. :roll:

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I barely even know him.

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