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Swords of the Wolves
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:01 pm |
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Togo wrote: Swords of the Wolves wrote: Like I said before, there's nothing wrong with cutting down on all that crap we keep putting up into the air. Yes, but how? How? Well, let's see... ride a bike or walk to places when it's a reasonable distance to do so switch to solar or wind energy (if possible) use public transport when possible (like the subway) have a personal method of transportation that gets extremely high MPG, like a hybrid car, or a motorcycle, or one of those mopeds Use your electricity sparingly, like turning off lights when you're not using them Man, the list goes on, and you can find a lot of ways to do so at climatecrisis.org if you want the full list. I can't think of all of them right now. Oh yes, and about the rocket ships, well, a lot of that white smoke is water vapor. Why? Because the center of that platform where the back ends of the rockets fire into is pretty much just a huge vat of water, which is there to prevent those rocket boosters from incinerating the launch platform. Otherwise, NASA or whichever other space organization would have to build another launch platform after every rocket launch, or possibly the launch just wouldn't work. As to the rocket booster's emissions, I don't know, since I don't know the chemical formula of rocket fuel. The way CO2 is normally produced in emissions is when any carbon-hydrogen compound is in the presence of oxygen, and then a spark ignites it. That explosion, or flame can produce either a complete combustion reaction, which produces CO2 and water, or an incomplete combustion reaction, which produces carbon monoxide (CO) and water. This is because when something combusts, it's basically binding to oxygen through a chemical reaction caused by a spark or open flame. That's why hydrogen fuel cells are so eco-friendly, because combusting hydrogen will only bind it to oxygen, and create water. So if rocket fuel has any amount of carbon atoms in its chemical formula, it produces CO2 (or carbon monoxide, but if it did, they probably wouldn't use it because they might not want to be releasing that much of a deadly gas into the air. They're not that stupid) but if it doesn't have any carbon, then it doesn't.
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:57 pm |
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Togo wrote: Swords of the Wolves wrote: How? Well, let's see...
ride a bike or walk to places when it's a reasonable distance to do so switch to solar or wind energy (if possible) use public transport when possible (like the subway) have a personal method of transportation that gets extremely high MPG, like a hybrid car, or a motorcycle, or one of those mopeds Use your electricity sparingly, like turning off lights when you're not using them
Man, the list goes on, and you can find a lot of ways to do so at climatecrisis.org if you want the full list. I can't think of all of them right now. Factories!  Because normal cars and home eletricity (a simple weak 220v in Italy, I don't know about US) are only a small part of the production of CO2 in the world (I can't remember the exact %, sorry). If the world understood that we need better way to produce energy (and the nuclear one is only the first step) we would all live better. The world only needs energy, and so far we only use petrol in order to produce it. This is what I think. Petroleum and coal, that is. Nuclear energy I'm fine with so long as it's kept away from any large body of water and any radioactive stuff it could produce is gotten rid of in a way so that it won't effect anything. I'm all for wind energy, as it's the cleanest, because it's just propellers turned by the wind, which turns the turbines and creates electricity. No emissions of any sort there. Denmark sure understands that we need a better way of producing electricity, which is why they're almost completely switched to wind power. I did find out about rocket fuel, and Togo is right: they basically just have two tanks; one of liquid oxygen and one of liquid hydrogen, and then do some combustion reaction to lift it off the ground. They also use a liquid called hydrozine, which is basically hydrogen that can explode without oxygen, but the shuttle only uses that when it's well into outer space.
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:27 pm |
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-Silver wind{Tani}- wrote: the ice caps used to be a desert incase anyone wanted to know (in prehistoric times like) I think Antarctica used to be covered in tropical forest. But the Arctic's mostly sea so before it froze over it was, well, a sea.
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:39 am |
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Irsexicat (Yupik) wrote: I DON'T believe in global warming.--- If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the manmade global warming myth, might media members notice? We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is. It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus. Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment. I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming. In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. (SOURCE: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... am-history ) I can't agree with you more Yupik. Ive been waiting a long time for somone else other than myself to say that Global Warming is a hoax. Personally I think it's the biggest political joke in history. 
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:12 pm |
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Here 's an update on the issue! http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/science/earth/17climate.html?_r=1&ref=science&oref=sloginHere's what I think about all the 'skeptics: How much more proof and consensus do you people need? The global scientific community agrees global warming is real, the UN agrees... I mean, when will you smell the coffee? When Mozes walks down the mountain with a note from the Big Man? 'Cause, really, that's the only thing which could make Global Warming even more credible, taking into account the current consensus. Then again, if there are people who don't believe in things like evolution, why wouldn't there be people who don't believe in global warming too?
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:06 pm |
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are you denying the Ice Ages? are you denying the rapidly shrinking Polar icecaps? and the rising ocean levels? how can you possibly deny such visible and obvious facts? do you have any idea how much C02 and methane we have dumped into our atmosphere? I agree, the planet is not in danger. nothing we could do can possibly harm the planet. lets face facts, the planet is not in danger, WE are in danger. even if global warming isnt real, waning fossil fuels are PURE UNADULTERATED FACT!!! within a century, we will have expended all oil and most fossil fuels on the planet. you cannot possibly deny that. you also cannot deny the enormous rise in pollution over the last 300 years. or the gigantic hole in the ozone layer over the south pole. no matter what, even if global warming doesnt exist, we have to find cleaner and more efficient fuel sources.
Personally, my opinion, is that Nuclear Power and Solar Power is the way of the future. my dad is a 1st Class Nuclear Mechanic on one of the United States Los Angeles (688i) class submarines. It is clean, and while yes there are risks, it is becoming safer and safer every day. There is virtually no chance of a meltdown, and there is next to zero of an explosion. New Reactors are built with NUMEROUS back up and safety features. Trust me, I know. And you know Nuclear Waste, the by-product that is called Plutonium? it can be partially recycled back into Uranium 235 which is used in Fission Reactors, the rest is buried. Personally, i think we should send it all to the sun and be done with it but.. that is just a little unfeasible at this point in time.
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:47 pm |
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We'd have to find other energy sources other than petrol and coal anyway, as well.
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:19 am |
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Togo wrote: Cogitor wrote: The global scientific community agrees global warming is real On the coutrary, there's a HUGE debate over it. But since normal people like to criticize, the "omg we're killing the world" story is the more famous. No, there is no debate. What happens is that various lobby groups who don't like the idea of combating global warming (as it would infringe on their positions of wealth and power) have constructed an enormous spin-machine whose only purpose is to create the perception that there is doubt over the existence of global warming where there is in fact none whatsoever. You are obviously one of many to have fallen victim to this spin machine which intentionally sends false signals and erroneous information into the world with the only goal of fabricating doubt. I mean, where is that so called debate? I don't see any debate. What I see is, for example, the 'IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Climate Change 2007'. These are the world's top scientists on the matter in an organization of the UN, who came to these conclusions: # Warming of the climate system is unequivocal. # Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations. # Anthropogenic warming and sea level rise would continue for centuries due to the timescales associated with climate processes and feedbacks, even if greenhouse gas concentrations were to be stabilized, although the likely amount of temperature and sea level rise varies greatly depending on the fossil intensity of human activity during the next century. # The probability that this is caused by natural climatic processes alone is less than 5%. ... Again, where is the debate? In 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'-documentary? If that sorry excuse for a joke is supposed to be the 'huge debate', I can only come to one conclusion: there is no debate, only lousy documentary makers with too much spare time on their hands. Global warming is real, end of story.
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:24 am |
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Cogitor wrote: Togo wrote: Cogitor wrote: The global scientific community agrees global warming is real On the coutrary, there's a HUGE debate over it. But since normal people like to criticize, the "omg we're killing the world" story is the more famous. No, there is no debate. What happens is that various lobby groups who don't like the idea of combating global warming (as it would infringe on their positions of wealth and power) have constructed an enormous spin-machine whose only purpose is to create the perception that there is doubt over the existence of global warming where there is in fact none whatsoever. You are obviously one of many to have fallen victim to this spin machine which intentionally sends false signals and erroneous information into the world with the only goal of fabricating doubt. I mean, where is that so called debate? I don't see any debate. What I see is, for example, the 'IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Climate Change 2007'. These are the world's top scientists on the matter in an organization of the UN, who came to these conclusions: # Warming of the climate system is unequivocal. # Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations. # Anthropogenic warming and sea level rise would continue for centuries due to the timescales associated with climate processes and feedbacks, even if greenhouse gas concentrations were to be stabilized, although the likely amount of temperature and sea level rise varies greatly depending on the fossil intensity of human activity during the next century. # The probability that this is caused by natural climatic processes alone is less than 5%. ... Again, where is the debate? In 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'-documentary? If that sorry excuse for a joke is supposed to be the 'huge debate', I can only come to one conclusion: there is no debate, only lousy documentary makers with too much spare time on their hands. Global warming is real, end of story. You pretty much stole my post :'( But yes, I was just about to say what Cogitor said. Global Warming is not a scam; it is for real, and there are thousands of documented events which are related to it. If you google Global Warming, and look through all the links, only about 2% of the links leads to places where people say GW is a scam. 1% of them are false links which leads you to completely different websites (no more detail now -.-), and the rest all says the same thing: "Global Warming is happening."
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Post subject: Re: Global Warming- Pronounced the biggest scam in history! Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:12 pm |
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I will say this once more, and never again, so take this or leave it:
There is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with decreasing the amount of artificially-made pollutants in the air, water, atmosphere, etc. I mean, seriously, I think it's undeniable that GW is happening, because I don't see why the fact that huge chunks of glaciers, Alaska-sized chunks of ice masses, and other stuff suddenly not being there isn't a red flag! But on the off chance that it's not happening, there is nothing wrong with decreasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
But seriously, where do you think that all that CO2 is going once it comes out of a car's exhaust pipe, or out the smokestacks of coal-fired power plants? Floats out of the atmosphere? No, only Helium and Hydrogen can do that.
To put it simply, it's better to be safe than sorry.
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