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I neither like, nor hate Alue, but I am writing a fanfiction as we speak (or read) about her, her life after she left her home, and about her return (sounds cliché, but I promise you will be surprised )
And I am trying to write the story to appeal to both Alue lovers and Alue haters, but more than that I will not reveal.
Personally, I don't think that haters should have their fun, or the lovers for that matter. I think our different opinions can all be handled in a mature, but still fun manner. Cat14's Dragon Tamer tell-off is proof of immature-ish reactions (no offense meant, Cat14).

And yes, I also agree on the "just pixels" part. How CAN you love an animated character?



Indeed, Cat14, you make some good valid points. I've nothing that I don't agree on, which is rather strange O.o
Anyway, the reason I made this topic was to express my thoughts and opinions, and to create a sensible, but interesting debate It's more like I am asking for your opinions about this, and you can include why you/why you don't hate the character.







Well, you are both correct and halfways incorrect.
Surely, the characters are fictional, thus they can't really choose to be the way they're made.
But hating the voice actors? They are just doing their jobs. And they were handpicked by the staff at Universal's to give voices to the characters. I think they did a pretty good job, considering how cliché the script was.

Ok, so, this is what I'm getting. This is how you're explaining this: You want our opinions (which are gonna be flippin' no brainers) and yet you say we're not allowed to have them. That is what you're implying. How can there be debate if you say no one should have an opinion? Just because you're neutral (or appear neutral) on the character, doesn't mean everyone else should follow YOUR example, especially since some are following MY example.

In order to debate, one has to look at it from both perspectives, no matter how much they don't want to, no matter how much they're against something. And.........you're not doing that. And you don't have to use one person as an example of something (i.e. me?) and use their name, that just shows your maturity, or lack thereof. That's very disrespectful and very not modlike.

As usual you are, not intentionally, I'm sure, misunderstanding my posts. Please, point me to where I said you aren't allowed to have your opinions voiced, or where I was implying it.
I am looking at the issue from both perspectives, but everyone on this site knows about your tell-off (which I, personally, consider a lack of maturity, although quite hilarious), but discussing this here would be off-topic. Had I wanted to create a fight about examples and naming, I would have given this a different title and posting it in the Others section.
And you seem to be holding a grudge against me, which I understand, so it might be the reason you misunderstood my post.

To clear up any misunderstandings you might have gotten from my post, in reply to you, I posted this:



I will quote a good reason taken up by Canis Lupus, which is a good point of why the haters (or, for instance, the lovers who may also write rather inappropriate stories, as well), shouldn't be completely unrestricted, as it may cause some rather disturbing results.






Also;

(1): I have never said, or stated that everyone should follow my example. And if I did, point me to where, please?
(2): Weren't you the one who was stripped of your moderator status for being rude, (viewtopic.php?f=23&t=16713), etc?

(Before you start picking on the off-topic in this post, I want to make you know that I have the right to defend myself from attacks such as your above post. Also sorry for bringing that up again, as this will probably cause a flame war, but I really think you should consider yourself before judging others.)

What was the point of this drivel, other than busting cat's chops? Let's recap here, you basically said that most people who hate Aleu (70% was your number, I believe) only do so because they are following the opinions of a "popular" member. By which, of course, you meant cat. You then declaim that she's not really popular and that people who agree with her only do so to "fit in". So you're basically accusing her of being some sort of puppet-master with mindless "fans" whom she commands around at her will. At least, that's the gist of what I read. If you said such things about me, I would also have been insulted.

Of course, when cat took umbrage at this blatant attack, you attempted to grab the moral high-ground, arguing that your only intention was to bring up a friendly debate. I'm sorry, Wolflux, ad hominem attacks and personal slurs are not a friendly debate. I can only assume your anger is in some degree fostered by your friendship with Cole, who has since left the site in anger.

In conclusion, I see no purpose to this topic, other than to make a thinly veiled personal attack on someone. If you purpose was, in fact, to foment debate...well, you're obviously not too adept at picking your words.

Oh, by the way, your argument that since cat was rude, it allows you to be rude too is a tu quoque fallacy. Just because one person does something wrong or bad, doesn't give you license to do the same thing. Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge.

I never mentioned any names of a specific popular member, HrryNrmn, and Cat14 was not even in my mind when I created the topic to begin with. The numbers I give out is from my point of view, and may not be correct, but is in no way a generalization.
And friendship with Cole? May I ask who that is?

But yes, I have (secretly, and not on the website, but in my head) been slightly frustrated at Cat14 and her fans. Call it jealousy if you want, but personally I find her quite controlling, although with great humor.
I did intend this to be a friendly debate, but not about anything else than the opinions of your own, and/or perhaps some constructive feedback on my "theory". I can handle mostly any kind of attacks; I've recieved hate PM's for locking topics, banning members, warning members, etc etc. But when someone attempts to use my moderator status as a weapon against me, I have to go defensive. The last part of the post was in response to Cat14's comment "not very modlike".

Also, I can not see what bad I have done, so please poke me to that. (unless it my response to ).

In the paranthesis above, I have quoted one thing Cat14 misunderstood, and the part where she directly attacked me. I feel I had the right to go on the defensive here, and I was not being rude myself. I was reminding (you may check with Togo for confirmation of the reality of the issue) her of what she herself had done, and that one should consider oneself before judging others.

If misunderstandings did not happen, this would have turned out to become a friendly and sensible debate, but unfortunately, if we can't drop this subject and return to what the topic really is for, I'm going to have to request this to be locked, to prevent any eventual flame wars.




First; if you read through the few first responses, and read my first post, without just being pinpointed to page two without readin the topic, you would have seen that I picked my words well enough. I can not understand how you managed to misinterpret this topic in such a way, so please, illuminate me on where I did choose the wrong words.


Secondly; When did I ever say that "If she is rude, I am allowed to be too!" ?




Also, I feel this is really going to evolve into some kind-of fight, so if you don't mind, leave this topic if you do not have anything related to it to say from now on, and continue over PM. Saves the other members from some frustration, and it saves the mods from locking yet another topic...

Bold clearly proves my point. I'm immature, so obviously not everyone's gonna be mature, but I have fun doing it.

Italic is not reminding ME of anything. You're not talking to me. You're talking to Rebel. Apparent bait. Hrry's right. You need to be careful of what you say. If you have a clear conscience, you shouldn't have to worry about starting a flame war.

Besides, the link I presented to you is all the proof you need about why people hate Aleu. I'm sure there's a topic as to why people like her. So instead of "going fishing," I say do a little research, cuz otherwise this isn't even worth "debate," it's all opinionbased and can't even come to a conclusion other than "people do it just to be cool." Which I might add, the formerly said topics say otherwise.

Thank you. I think it's fine for people to hate Aleu, but I do tend to find it a little repetitive. Same for loving Aleu too - 'DONT H8 ALU SHEZ DA BEST CHAR EVA!!!!' I've heard that about 900 times already.

I'm in the middle really. I like Aleu, she's pretty (if they bothered to animate her in the Balto #1 style she's look fantastic in my opinion), spunky, and has a good heart even though she dosn't know what to do with herself.

However, at the same time I find her immaturaty in the movie very annoying (her voice don't really bother me as much as the animation and her attitude, so no real comment about that).

As you can see, I really don't know where I stand on the issue. I like her and dislike her all at the same time. It's weird, but that's the way it is with me. *shrug*

Wow, I'm surprised this topic hasn't been locked by now with all of the off-topicness going on here; BTW, thank you Togo! *bows*

Anywho, I agree that the whole "follow the wave" thing does reign true for Aleu. Sure, some people will like her, others will hate her - big fat whoop.

I agree with whoever said that whole "She's just a bunch of pixels" comment earlier, because it really makes sense. Aleu is only a character created by the writers of WQ for the purpose of continuing Balto's heroic story after the original. And since everyone has their own opinions about her, let's just leave it at that, shall we? No matter what we say, there will always be Aleu-haters and Aleu-fans (Personally, I am a fan of her character, but I like to have some torture fun with her every now and then . . . Cat knows what I'm talking about . . . *wink-wink*), but there's nothing we can really do to change how her story was in the movie (only the ending . . . and the other quick time-lapses that they left out . . . that's for us fanfiction writers to do for you guys). And sure, her voice was kinda unwolf-like and annoying at periods of time, but it's not like we can redub it or anything . . . (Well, with today's technology, you probably could make a fan re-dub of only Aleu's voice, but it wouldn't be an easy task for non-computer people); no offense, but I thought her voice suited the naive nature of her character . . . but this isn't exactly the right place for me to talk about that at the moment.

In conclusion, Aleu-haters: Chill and stop pounding down the ones that can tolerate Aleu for who she is. You wouldn't like it if someone did that to you; and Aleu-lovers: Repeat the Aleu-haters response, except substitute the word "tolerate" for "not stand". Read it that way and you'll get it.

Hopefully, there will not be another flame war because of this in the future . . . . *crosses fingers*

- Juuchan17

That's exactly what I was thinking.

There are some aspects of her character that could've been stronger, but do we really need people following popular members like sheep?