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 Post subject: Re: Oh - fantastic! Something to worsen their name.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:50 pm 
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From BBC news (UK)

(Ellie, was featured in the Panorama pit-bull program)

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Ellie Lawrenson's grandmother has told a court that she was responsible for the five-year-old's death after she was mauled to death by the family dog.
Jackie Simpson, 45, was baby-sitting Ellie when she let the pit bull terrier into her house on Merseyside.
It attacked the child causing 72 injuries. Asked if she accepted blame, Ms Simpson said: "Yes, because I let the dog in."
Ms Simpson, from St Helens, denies manslaughter by gross negligence.
"If things had gone the way they should have that day I wouldn't have had the kids anyway. I opened the door and it's my fault. I never thought the dog would do anything to Ellie," Ms Simpson said.
Cross-examining her at Liverpool Crown Court, Neil Flewitt QC, said: "You let that child down, didn't you?"
"Yes," she answered.
Ms Simpson admitted consuming two bottles of wine and smoking 10 cannabis joints on the day of the attack.

Tormented dog
Earlier she told the jury that the dog, a pit bull terrier called Reuben, had been kicked, punched and tormented by members of her family.
Ms Simpson said her son Kiel had once lashed out at Reuben shortly before it bit Ellie's aunt, Kelsey.
Speaking about the attack on Kelsey, the defendant said her son Kiel, 24 - who in April pleaded guilty to owning a dangerous dog - punched and kicked the animal 10 minutes before it bit her.
She said: "Kiel was in a mood and punched and kicked the dog. He then left the house, I had never seen him do that before. He punched him in the head and kicked him on his back leg, the dog yelped."
On other occasions, Ms Simpson said Kelsey herself had tormented the animal.

Family rule

She denied that she had broken a family rule by allowing the dog inside her home where he attacked Ellie.
Ms Simpson said she had no reason to suspect any danger if the pit bull terrier was allowed inside.
She admitted that she knew Reuben was a powerful, banned dog. But she denied worrying whether St Helens Council would discover the banned dog in her home and said a vet told her son Kiel that Reuben needed behavioural classes.
Mr Flewitt asked her: "You have a strong, powerful dog you know is banned by the law - a dog that should have but wasn't getting behavioural classes - and you knew that in the summer of 2006?"
"Yes," she replied.
Mr Flewitt said if she considered Reuben's exceptional strength and previous attacks, she must "have realised it could have killed a five-year-old girl".
Ms Simpson replied: "I wouldn't have thought it could have done that to a baby it had grown up with."
The dog was later shot dead by police.
The case was adjourned until Friday, when lawyers will make their closing speeches.
It is thought the jury will retire to consider its verdict on Monday.



Reuben is no to blame, Kiel was-an d the other family members who tormented the poor creature.
Thanks to rotten humans an innocent child lost her life.:x cry.gif

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Remember what I said about pit-bulls attracting a certain type of owners (in the BSL debate)?
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Second Chance wrote:
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I think that I've already said this but I think that the ban is probably the safest option.

That way, if Pitbulls aren't born in the first place then no one can get hold of them and train them as fighting dogs.. they'd never have to endure such suffering. If you think about, these idiots involved in dog-fighting more or less 'invented' the breed.. they're obviously not willing to give up their 'sport' easily.

I know that there are nice Pitbulls out there but after watching this programme it's clear that a lot of dog-fighting still goes on. These dogs might be gentle towards people (though perhaps not children) but they're not nice to other dogs.

It's the sick people in the world that ruin things for everyone.

That's just how things are.. these days. =|

Oh so this dumb program got you too?
Unlike you I'm going to fight for them and keep them alive! Why ban them forever? Do you know how they ban them? THEY KILL THEM!!!


Yes, I know. I'm not stupid.
But let's be honest here, would you prefer to see a Pitbull being trained to attack and kill its own kind? To fight to its death and then if it loses its fight to be electricuted? Or would you prefer that it was put to sleep humanely before it endured any of this?

All right, so wiping them all out is wrong - it's not fair.
They can't all be stereotyped but no matter what Pitbull fighters are going to get hold of them as long as they're in the world. They're going to train them to kill and make them a threat to both canines and humans. Yes, all right, the people are the ones that need punishing.

The day you manage to find and arrest a Pitbull fighter, let me know.


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Maugrim wrote:
Second Chance wrote:
Maugrim wrote:
I think that I've already said this but I think that the ban is probably the safest option.

That way, if Pitbulls aren't born in the first place then no one can get hold of them and train them as fighting dogs.. they'd never have to endure such suffering. If you think about, these idiots involved in dog-fighting more or less 'invented' the breed.. they're obviously not willing to give up their 'sport' easily.

I know that there are nice Pitbulls out there but after watching this programme it's clear that a lot of dog-fighting still goes on. These dogs might be gentle towards people (though perhaps not children) but they're not nice to other dogs.

It's the sick people in the world that ruin things for everyone.

That's just how things are.. these days. =|

Oh so this dumb program got you too?
Unlike you I'm going to fight for them and keep them alive! Why ban them forever? Do you know how they ban them? THEY KILL THEM!!!


Yes, I know. I'm not stupid.
But let's be honest here, would you prefer to see a Pitbull being trained to attack and kill its own kind? To fight to its death and then if it loses its fight to be electricuted? Or would you prefer that it was put to sleep humanely before it endured any of this?

All right, so wiping them all out is wrong - it's not fair.
They can't all be stereotyped but no matter what Pitbull fighters are going to get hold of them as long as they're in the world. They're going to train them to kill and make them a threat to both canines and humans. Yes, all right, the people are the ones that need punishing.

The day you manage to find and arrest a Pitbull fighter, let me know.

Maugrim is right: what we should do is punish and control all owners. But there is a gap between that which should be done and that which can be done. The fact is: the resources to ensure absolute control over all owners just don't exist. Sure, you could divert half of all law-enforcers to check up on dog owners, but that would mean less protection against other (more dangerous) criminals. The only thing we have resources for is either very limited control (results in more attacks on humans and more dog fighters since the control is limited) or an outright ban.

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