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Just one question; how can you check all sides of the story when Wolves cannot speak to us? All humans (no matter who they are) can do is observe them. But, the next question is: Are we really seeing all they have to offer?

I mean, if someone watched you for example, all day. You eating, going to the bathroom, living, just doing what you do every day, wouldn't you act a little different than normal?

I never implied anything different, dude. Although "history" itself isn't a field I'm interested in, I'm rational enough to conclude what I can believe from human records.

I NEVER said you should believe in those claims. I said you shouldn't fully deny them. Most human myths have a true core somewhere, and I think it's important to find and show respect to that core. However, if you believe that I simply take human writing for true, then you're totally wrong - I only believe what I can see, do analysis on or logically trace back. Literature serves me as an "idea" for something, and then I usually try to validate or falsificate it myself.


Seriously, BEFORE I DO THAT, read my posts again. You'll figure out that I said about the exact opposite of what you claim it to be here.


Actually, what you have to know is that natural sciences, specially biology, are my hobby. I work as watchmaker, and do voluntary service for wildlife organisations (and wildlife parks). Some time ago I worked as fossil preparator, also voluntarily, and did my own private studies on dinosauria. Yet I don't think that my "hobby" is worth less than the work of professionals on that matter. At least I'm always welcome in those organisations.

http://www.pronatura.ch/
http://www.luno.ch/ (Lynx Rewilding in Switzerland)
http://www.sauriermuseum.ch/ (Fossil Preparation)
http://www.wildaid.org/ (too odd, no Swiss homesite )
http://3w.terrasco.net/index.php?p=010@ ... dae.nature (yes, as you can see that's my own site... some rare articles I did... and photos, nice ey?)

Actually, I'm the only one here who assigns dynamic behavioral patterns to wolves. So I doubt we need to continue this here

DUDE! AGAIN!

SHOW ME THE EXACT FREAKIN' LINE WHERE I SAID THEY ARE! DO IT! NOW!

I really don't know what your problem is. Read my posts again, read my explanations... and you'll understand my statement. Because it isn't wrong at all.

Whatever - for me my statement makes perfect rational sense. It stands for the fact that predators have, at no point, a genetic reason to avoid human prey... and that needs to be said... in my opinion.

Wolves may attack human, but will not eat human, wolves just skilled to attack something that disturb them.

I dare question whether wolves 'rationalised it out'. For one, if you are talking about some kind of genetic preference for not attacking humans, I would have to say that it would take a few more milenia before that will ever happen - genetic shifts do not happen overnight, and the human dominance which is so threatening to wolves (threatening enough for internalising a fear for humans) has been a relatively recent developement.
The most plausibel reason wolves are not likely to attack humans is the fact wolves are confined to arreas which rule out interaction with humans; they fear that which they do not know.
Your statements do not make it clear enough just why wolves would refrain from attacking humans. Could you clarify?

well, I don't really know about that. I'm no expert. but from my studies, I'd say that wolves will not attack people unless they are disturbed in someway or another.

normally, they won't attack or eat people, I guess.

The earth is round. It revolves around the sun. Wolves do not routinely attack humans.
These are all unquestionable facts, and if you read closely, you will see no-one ever doubted either of these statements (with empasis on the third statement) on this forum. The question we are asking is if wolves, given the right circumstances, will attack humans. You have indeed elaborately proven (although without quoting your sources, somthing you have reproached others for) that wolves will not routinely attack humans. But this is beyond question.
The question we are trying to answer is whether in certain circumstances wolves will attack humans. You yourself have said yes ('isolation, near starvation, or illness'; exactly the circumstances I was thinking about). So wolves will, in certain circumstances (as opposed to routinely) attack humans. This we all seem to agree on (even Kovu: notice how he said 'Actually, any predator eats human meat if the circumstances are given.').

What I'd like to know is whether it is possible that certain wolves will start routinely attacking humans if the circumstances are given (I am thinking in te line of a wolfpack that, during a famine, has no other source of food but humans and that addopts to hunting humans as a result of that famine). Lions will do so (see the the 'TSAVO event'). Is it, theoreticaly, possible for wolves to do so too? Quite frankly, I don't know, but I would like to find out. I don't suppose anyone can recommend any literature on that pericular issue?

And thus it needs no answering? If the question that starts a toppic is too vague, why not try and elaborate on it? It would be a waste of space too satart a new toppic. I merely tried expanding the toppic beyond the obvious; why bother discussing facts (as there are: The earth is round. It revolves around the sun. Wolves do not routinely attack humans).
Not to mention the discussion to have unfolded here has gone beyond the original question, to which the answer is yes: wolves have killed and eaten humans, and will do so again if the circumstances are there.