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Post subject:  Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:03 pm |
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HrryNrmn wrote: However, the outcome was much better than if the Nazis had won.
For humans anyway... I didn't think the dogs cared that much though. I even fear animals would have rooted for the Germans... HrryNrmn wrote: unfortunatly animals lives in most cases are not as valued as humans are...
In war, both are valued little.
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Post subject: uhh Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:44 pm |
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Quote: I dont think they should use humans instead of dogs, But if their "Motherland" now was so important for them(same goes for all countries) they must have courage enough to get up close and place a satchelcharge or they could have built "Goliaths" like the french and germans did, But nothing to care about when i think of it, its to late to change the past
WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? Dogs were domesticated for labor. Dogs probably destroyed quite a bit of tanks. And we must change the past, because a few lousy animals died?
Thousands upon thousands of people die in great wars. Far less dogs die. If we change the past to not use dogs, we could also change the past to not use humans. My point is, not only dogs died.
Ha, enough "courage"? The Soviet Union was the most powerful country, feared by everyone, and they singlehandedly (pretty much) defeated facism and Germany. What were most other countries doing? Sitting back and relaxing. And get use better grammar before insulting my heritage.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:26 pm |
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Just an FYI here, Kamikazi means Warriors of the Divine Wind. Despite popular believe, it has nothing to do with the meaning of suicide.
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Post subject: Re: uhh Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:29 pm |
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starsky_balto wrote: Loup Caché wrote: Quote: I dont think they should use humans instead of dogs, But if their "Motherland" now was so important for them(same goes for all countries) they must have courage enough to get up close and place a satchelcharge or they could have built "Goliaths" like the french and germans did, But nothing to care about when i think of it, its to late to change the past WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? Dogs were domesticated for labor. Dogs probably destroyed quite a bit of tanks. And we must change the past, because a few lousy animals died? Thousands upon thousands of people die in great wars. Far less dogs die. If we change the past to not use dogs, we could also change the past to not use humans. My point is, not only dogs died. Ha, enough "courage"? The Soviet Union was the most powerful country, feared by everyone, and they singlehandedly (pretty much) defeated facism and Germany. What were most other countries doing? Sitting back and relaxing. And get use better grammar before insulting my heritage. ok i never insulted your heritage, and i never said that they didnt do enough, I know that many humans(just to many) died and served in ww2 including my grandfather and his father. and also i didnt say that we should change the past i said it was to late to change the past. And you say that im insulting your heritage what about "What were most other countries doing? Sitting back and relaxing" thats pretty insulting. You said it as if you wanted to change the past. And at least I'm not so direct about what countries I'm talking about.
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Post subject: Re: uhh Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:12 am |
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Loup Caché wrote: Quote: I dont think they should use humans instead of dogs, But if their "Motherland" now was so important for them(same goes for all countries) they must have courage enough to get up close and place a satchelcharge or they could have built "Goliaths" like the french and germans did, But nothing to care about when i think of it, its to late to change the past WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? Dogs were domesticated for labor. Dogs probably destroyed quite a bit of tanks. And we must change the past, because a few lousy animals died? Thousands upon thousands of people die in great wars. Far less dogs die. If we change the past to not use dogs, we could also change the past to not use humans. My point is, not only dogs died. Ha, enough "courage"? The Soviet Union was the most powerful country, feared by everyone, and they singlehandedly (pretty much) defeated facism and Germany. What were most other countries doing? Sitting back and relaxing. And get use better grammar before insulting my heritage. I hate to burst your bubble here, but your heritage isn't all rainbows and sunshine: comrade Stalin wasn't really a nice old chap (  gulag ), you know. And do I need to remind you that after 'single handedly' (with a great deal of US-aid sent in through Murmansk and Vladivostok)deafeating fascism, the Soviet Union locked half of Europe (take Poland, for instace) behind the iron curtain, guaranteeing yet another five decased of tyrany and opression?
No offence, but just try being a bit more humble, as some people (from Poland, for example) might take offence at a far too one-sided outlook on these matters.
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No countries background is "sunshine and rainbows." Therefor, that does not need to be addressed. And just for the record, Russia IS a world super power, so they must be doing a lot of things right, there is no arguing with that. I am also irritated that many of you are judging a country fully by how they wage war. Sure, using dogs strapped with explosives isn't the most moral idea, but it is far more moral than using humans for the suicide tactics. Congratulations, people. Many of you have judged about 141,377,752 people JUST because of the way they wage war. Now how moral is that?
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:43 am |
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I was not judging a country, nor it's inhabitants, nor the way they waged (past tense, by the way) war. I just take note of how they waged war.
What I do condemn is historical revisionism which is often a byproduct of patriotism.
Dogs were used in the war by USSR. They died. That can be mourned, if need be.
Humans died in the war too, of which aproximatly 25000000 from the USSR. That has to be mourned. The suffring of a handfull of dogs pales in their comparison. These are the only relevant facts to the discussion.
But please, leave national heritages out of this, because, as I said, they might offend people (for the reasons I stated). This applies espeacially to the "Other countries were just sitting back"-part.
Then again, I should appologise for my previous statement; I got carried away there. I did not mean to bring up those fact to offend anyone, only to serve as a reminder that open national pride is best avoided as not to offend anyone on a forum that is not really the place for these sorts of things.
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Loup Caché, how dare you! How dare you!! How dare you trivialize my great-uncle Danny's and my great-uncle Norman's suffering and service. They served in World War II proudly and helped to defend your homeland and the rest of the world from Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan. My uncle Danny was on the Batan Death March so don't you even dare to say he sat on his rear and did nothing. The Japanese cut off Marines' fingers and ate them. Yeah, he didn't do squat to fight in WWII. In case you've forgotten, England, the US and many other countries fought the Nazis. Who was that on D-Day, I'm just curious.
That comment makes me absolutely sick and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for trying to say that only Russia suffered during World War II. Y
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HrryNrmn wrote: Loup Caché, how dare you! How dare you!! How dare you trivialize my great-uncle Danny's and my great-uncle Norman's suffering and service. They served in World War II proudly and helped to defend your homeland and the rest of the world from Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan. My uncle Danny was on the Batan Death March so don't you even dare to say he sat on his rear and did nothing. The Japanese cut off Marines' fingers and ate them. Yeah, he didn't do squat to fight in WWII. In case you've forgotten, England, the US and many other countries fought the Nazis. Who was that on D-Day, I'm just curious.
That comment makes me absolutely sick and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for trying to say that only Russia suffered during World War II. Y
This is what I meant. Someone took offense. And now everyone's upset, hurrah...
Meanwhile, we forgot hwat the toppic was about.
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