Concerning "Clones"
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WARNING:
The following description contains strong personal opinions concerning characters and rendering (mostly rendering; clones were covered in the image) which may be offensive to some readers. Continue at your own risk.
Aaaand those of you who read that warning are probably thinking, rendering? What does rendering have to do with cloned characters?
EVERYTHING. Keep reading, if you dare. I'll cover that eventually. But first, a word about renders in general:
I'll go ahead and be upfront here: I HATE renders. Hate them, hate them, hate them.
Why? Because it's blatant freaking art theft. YES. ART THEFT. YOU ARE TAKING SOMEONE ELSE'S ART AND RECOLORING IT INTO YOUR OWN CHARACTERS. THAT. IS. THEFT!
"Well, they're just kids! All kids trace, leave them alone and let them be kids!"
Ok, I GET that. I get it, I get it, I get it, STOP TELLING ME. I KNOW that some members are just kids who don't understand, and that's ok. Yes, kids will be kids. But there are also many members, including "renderers", who are NOT kids--they are teenagers or sometimes even adults. Yes, adults. A five-year-old can get away with tracing in elementary school, yes, but as they get older, it HAS TO STOP. Just like you stop eating baby food, stop wearing diapers, stop sitting in a carseat, etc., at some point or other, reliance on flipping tracing HAS TO STOP as you begin to get older. And believe it or not, a MAJORITY of AS members are at or past that point. Maybe not all of them, but most of them.
"Well, not everyone can draw for themselves!"
Oh yes they can. Everyone CAN draw. They just may not be able to draw WELL. And you know what? That's ok, because NO ONE starts out being able to draw well. They have to practice. For years. After all, as I once read on dA, "good artists are bad artists who never gave up".
And you know what? The animators for Balto and all those other animated movies did just that. They worked HARD to learn how to draw, they worked HARD to make those character designs (builds included), they worked HARD to bring them to life. And what do the AnimationSource members do? Completely mooch off of all that hard work and get praised for it. Get praised for TRACING and image drawn by someone who has worked for YEARS to acquire the skill that they have.
And what's worse? It's ENCOURAGED. Not good at drawing, just RENDER IT! Instead of practicing to become better yourself, it's absolutely OK to mooch of the work of someone else who has worked for years to make other images! As long as you change up the markings, it's perfectly acceptable!
Know what vibe that kind of sends at me? "Oh, you didn't study for that test? Well, that's ok! Look over here, there's a student who has studied really hard! Why don't you go over there and copy what he did? As long as you change a few tiny things, it'll be perfected acceptable!"
IS THAT FAIR? NO, IT'S NOT.
"But renders take a lot of work to make them look good, just like art!"
Oh, I see, you put sooooo much work into tracing someone else's work? Well, whaddoya want, a flipping cookie? I don't give a crap how hard it is to make pretty renders, it's still art theft and a USELESS skill. Good job wasting so much time and effort on copying an image. Maybe you should try working on making YOUR OWN DRAWINGS pretty, instead.
So what does all this have to do with character clones?
Remember the last phrase I had on the image? "Structure is 10x more important than markings/coloration when it comes to unique character designs".
Well, that's true. Steele and Jenna, remember, have nearly IDENTICAL markings. Yet they're not considered clones. No, their bodies are too different for that. And when you render, you're pretty much stealing the structure of whatever character you're rendering over. Yes--STEALING part of that character's design.
"So wait...are you saying that any character rendered out of Jenna is a Jenna clone?"
Yes. YES, I jolly-well am. Because they ARE. No matter how different the markings or colors may be, it is still in some ways a Jenna CLONE because the structures are identical (and that goes for the other canon characters, too). The character designers at Universal worked hard to get those designs just right, and here you go stealing said designs, filling in THEIR designs with other markings and calling it your own creation. YES, that is a clone. YES, that is even a form of character theft.
I'm sick of seeing nearly NO characters on here but variations of Baltos, Steeles, and Jennas.
Get off your daggum lazy behinds and DRAW YOUR OWN WORK.
Oh but wait, I forgot, apparently, according to the defenders you're all little kids who aren't good at drawing your own art, so CLEARLY I'm supposed to just stand by and let you steal the work of animators and not say anything negative about it because that would be meeeeeen and hurt your precious little feeeeelings because clearly you can't handle the idea of that "render" you worked ever-so-hard on being ART THEFT.
As an artist, that just ticks me off.
Screw it all.
http://oi39.tinypic.com/347wagz.jpg
.oOo.
WARNING:
The following description contains strong personal opinions concerning characters and rendering (mostly rendering; clones were covered in the image) which may be offensive to some readers. Continue at your own risk.
Aaaand those of you who read that warning are probably thinking, rendering? What does rendering have to do with cloned characters?
EVERYTHING. Keep reading, if you dare. I'll cover that eventually. But first, a word about renders in general:
I'll go ahead and be upfront here: I HATE renders. Hate them, hate them, hate them.
Why? Because it's blatant freaking art theft. YES. ART THEFT. YOU ARE TAKING SOMEONE ELSE'S ART AND RECOLORING IT INTO YOUR OWN CHARACTERS. THAT. IS. THEFT!
"Well, they're just kids! All kids trace, leave them alone and let them be kids!"
Ok, I GET that. I get it, I get it, I get it, STOP TELLING ME. I KNOW that some members are just kids who don't understand, and that's ok. Yes, kids will be kids. But there are also many members, including "renderers", who are NOT kids--they are teenagers or sometimes even adults. Yes, adults. A five-year-old can get away with tracing in elementary school, yes, but as they get older, it HAS TO STOP. Just like you stop eating baby food, stop wearing diapers, stop sitting in a carseat, etc., at some point or other, reliance on flipping tracing HAS TO STOP as you begin to get older. And believe it or not, a MAJORITY of AS members are at or past that point. Maybe not all of them, but most of them.
"Well, not everyone can draw for themselves!"
Oh yes they can. Everyone CAN draw. They just may not be able to draw WELL. And you know what? That's ok, because NO ONE starts out being able to draw well. They have to practice. For years. After all, as I once read on dA, "good artists are bad artists who never gave up".
And you know what? The animators for Balto and all those other animated movies did just that. They worked HARD to learn how to draw, they worked HARD to make those character designs (builds included), they worked HARD to bring them to life. And what do the AnimationSource members do? Completely mooch off of all that hard work and get praised for it. Get praised for TRACING and image drawn by someone who has worked for YEARS to acquire the skill that they have.
And what's worse? It's ENCOURAGED. Not good at drawing, just RENDER IT! Instead of practicing to become better yourself, it's absolutely OK to mooch of the work of someone else who has worked for years to make other images! As long as you change up the markings, it's perfectly acceptable!
Know what vibe that kind of sends at me? "Oh, you didn't study for that test? Well, that's ok! Look over here, there's a student who has studied really hard! Why don't you go over there and copy what he did? As long as you change a few tiny things, it'll be perfected acceptable!"
IS THAT FAIR? NO, IT'S NOT.
"But renders take a lot of work to make them look good, just like art!"
Oh, I see, you put sooooo much work into tracing someone else's work? Well, whaddoya want, a flipping cookie? I don't give a crap how hard it is to make pretty renders, it's still art theft and a USELESS skill. Good job wasting so much time and effort on copying an image. Maybe you should try working on making YOUR OWN DRAWINGS pretty, instead.
So what does all this have to do with character clones?
Remember the last phrase I had on the image? "Structure is 10x more important than markings/coloration when it comes to unique character designs".
Well, that's true. Steele and Jenna, remember, have nearly IDENTICAL markings. Yet they're not considered clones. No, their bodies are too different for that. And when you render, you're pretty much stealing the structure of whatever character you're rendering over. Yes--STEALING part of that character's design.
"So wait...are you saying that any character rendered out of Jenna is a Jenna clone?"
Yes. YES, I jolly-well am. Because they ARE. No matter how different the markings or colors may be, it is still in some ways a Jenna CLONE because the structures are identical (and that goes for the other canon characters, too). The character designers at Universal worked hard to get those designs just right, and here you go stealing said designs, filling in THEIR designs with other markings and calling it your own creation. YES, that is a clone. YES, that is even a form of character theft.
I'm sick of seeing nearly NO characters on here but variations of Baltos, Steeles, and Jennas.
Get off your daggum lazy behinds and DRAW YOUR OWN WORK.
Oh but wait, I forgot, apparently, according to the defenders you're all little kids who aren't good at drawing your own art, so CLEARLY I'm supposed to just stand by and let you steal the work of animators and not say anything negative about it because that would be meeeeeen and hurt your precious little feeeeelings because clearly you can't handle the idea of that "render" you worked ever-so-hard on being ART THEFT.
As an artist, that just ticks me off.
Screw it all.
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| O' Cap'n My Cap'n! |
Beauuuutifully put, Natti!  I love that someone else cares enough to state these things openly, rather than worry about dancing on broken glass just to protect some "sensitive feewings".  |
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I can see some distinct irony in this matter, but I'll PM you about it
to avoid a major argument. I was going to send you a message anyway. |
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I agree with this completely. The same reason I have stopped rendering
and removed all my renders from my gallery. There isn't anything I should add. You've covered it all. |
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Thank you NattiKay for posting this !  I Agree All the way about
Same Body Structure as others And the Whole Render thing. I HATE
renders. I'll admit , I used to Use renders and Draw/Render Charecters
in the same Body bulid and Even mimic a Style of Movies , I Since Then
Grew up and Realized that was wrong.Drangon Tamer - Yes. Rendering over screenshots IS art theft. It was another artists art work. |
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DT> Yeah, basically. All the work from universal is copyrighted. Many people do collages and images, but I personally think it is more serious to trace someone else's artwork you have to right to be using whatsoever. Yes, I've rendered before, although I' not planning on rendering again because I am capable of drawing things.(Not to mention the fact that it is illegal) But if your not able to draw something on your own, is that an excuse to use artwork that isn't yours? Besides, if you must make a reference sheet, there are countless linearts people are allowed to use. Not saying people who render are horrible, it's just, think. Think how hard much hard work went into making this movie. Then, people come along and just trace your work? I've been undergoing the same practice, and hard work most artists would go throw at my age. And knowing how much it took, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to use my work for themselves if I ever were to be on an animation crew. (Not that it would be my choice alone, since there are many animators involved in making a movie.) I'm simply saying, consider that. |
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Not saying I disagree with you, but let me see if I understand this
correctly. You all are saying that using someone else's work in your
images - specifically the copyritten contents of movies - is wrong, am
I right? |
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GOOD POINTS THANK YOU NATTI! Oh my gosh... builds.. I love builds.. it's like the most important part, it's what makes the character, a character! I try to make my builds as unique as possible. (My style is fairly realistic, so I don't exaggerate things that much, but I still try and give some a build different and unique) Lets face it, people who render are limited with builds. I'll say it, even though I HAVE rendered, it's not preferred in any way. In fact, I HATE IT. I completely agree with you. (I used to render a lot. I basically don't anymore because it is art theft. The Mock poster was more of an exception. Although I wasn't proud of rendering again.) Anyway, one of the things that gets on my nerves the most, is it seems as though people think higher artistically of people who render? C'mon. Artists work HARD. Developing styles, builds, characters, ability, everything. They should get their due credit. After reading this, it reminds me how serious an offense rendering is. You'll certainly never see another render from me again. |
| August 11, 2013 | ||
Oooh, ouch, the truth, it pains  I think the saddest part about the "Is it fair to copy someone else who's worked hard?" will usually retort with "Well if someone were to copy MY art, I'd be flattered!", and I think what's even sadder than that is there are even artists out there who find it flattering when people copy them and don't care if they get credit or not. It's people like that who give normal artists, artists who want credit for something they've done and to be KNOWN for it, that give people the mindset that it's perfectly acceptable to copy and/or trace. People usually have that mindset when they feel its convenient for them. If anyone believes that every artist is okay with being copied/traced/uncredited, then they're a complete irredeemable idiot who doesn't deserve a bit of respect from anyone. As for the Jenna/Steele/Balto/etc-clones. Just... stop. The only other option is to draw something yourself. And if that's too difficult then I'm going to be mean and say just give up if all you're going to do is recycle designs that aren't yours. |
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Thank you for having the guts to put this out into the public, Natti :'D
I honestly agree with you. I know I'm not 100% innocent, all my old renders are still in my gallery, but I've since realised that it is a true form of art theft, and if someone traced over any of my artwork I would be thoroughly annoyed.
This art was well overdue
(and on another tangent, the structure designs you did at the bottom of the art are superb :3 You're really amazing at defining a character!)