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Characters rules, and JerseyCaptain

Written by steet :



 

I will address here two of the main problems occuring with moderation on the site recently. I thought this was important enough to display this publicly.

First, the characters rules. As I said in a MASS PM sent to all the moderators, the only valid character rules are the ones written on the site (how are members supposed to know rules that are not visible to them?)
Now, I will request you to be more lenient when it comes to the rules. Everyone has different feelings on what SHOULD be allowed or not, so stick to what is CLEARLY written.

So yes, "Sparkle Dogs" should be allowed, because A LOT of people do like them. Cats characters on Balto Source should be allowed too, because A LOT of people can like seeing something more varied, a character that's not just another wolf or dog. (unless someone is not in good faith and is posting ONLY cats characters...) We can't just go and make a list of EVERY species that are allowed or not, on EVERY site.

In the long term, there will be categories, which will allow pretty much everything to be accepted, but put into different categories. So that each visitors can then filter the categories he/she doesn't want to see. (like sparkledogs or different species, for example) Because, after all, what is the REAL problem behind sparkledogs for example? It is that you DONT want to see them PERSONALLY. And again, each person has different views on what they want to see or not.
In the meantime, I'm asking the mods to be too restrictive on what is accepted.



As for JerseyCaptain issues with Togo : I have to admit all this gives me a headache. I did not answer on this yet because I wanted to take the time to read everything properly.
Yes, I'm still planning to add a better moderation system, with automated warnings etc...Until then, mods should either use the external forums, or the mods forums on each site to keep tracks of them.
JC's someone with very strong opinions, who sticks to them and always want to have the final word. And by doing so, he just irritates anyone who "dare" answer to his messages. JC, honestly, when you see that you're annoying most people, can't you just *drop it* and move to something else? It's also valid to the others. When you see a topic's going nowhere, wouldn't it to better to stop?

Come on people, you're supposed to have fun here! Not give headhaches to the others!!!

So here's what I think : yes, from what I read, JC's attitude deserved a ban. He can be very resourceful and posts very interesting articles, but when it comes to the forums, he just doesn't know when to END an argument. To his defense, I don't think he does that on "purpose" : he just doesn't realize how much his messages can get irritating.
My suggestion : now that it's clear to everyone, I will give him a last chance. Please do the necessary to remove all the warnings and the ban from him. But, at the very instant he gets into a new argument in a topic, this warrants a warning, and 3 warnings a ban. And if that happens, the ban should be on the forums only - not the site.
 




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November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
I agree with you 100% Jersey, and of course they were intellectual, I said praised you on that in my posts. I admitted to your "instigation" as I belived they saw it, but in my eyes not only was it perfectly reasonable, but not exactly instigation. Instigation implys flaming. I haven't read your "Are you a Furry" posts, but I know that you are by no means a flamer, and that all your arguments are backed with reason and logic, a rare atribute that I look very highly upon. In retrospect, when I said instigated I should have put it in quotes, as I was refering to it as they had, but I do not belive that there was any acctaul instigation. Logical and educated arguments are not only exceptable, but healthy. Make no mistake, I am 100% behind you on this, I just worded kinda poorly. :!

November 22, 2010
YAY SPARKLEDOGS!!!

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
@ Balto_the_WOlf_Dog: I have debated with you, certainly. But we have always had intellectual debate and worked things through, have we not? There has never been petty flaming and stuff which warranted either a warning or a ban. I think you can grant me that. As to "instigation", I hardly think that disagreeing with or countering someone's post on an open forum is "instigation". It is simply discussion and debate. In normal society, that is viewed as healthy. In the real world, it is viewed as healthy. On Animation Source, for some reason, where so many people are so touchy and hypersensitive, it is often wrongly identified as flaming or trolling. And that's baloney. And any intelligent person would recognize the difference.

You SEEM to recognize the difference. So why refer to "instigation"? To say that belies understanding of debate and discussion. You ought to know better than that.

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
If you ask me this news needs to be deleted. It screams "drama" We don't need that.

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
Stop blaming steet right now please!

let's show a little of cordiality! don't you see that he gave us the fairest result?, each one has a own section, already are separated, let's deal with it and live each one a own life

and many fo what you call "sparkledogs" because of wearing a dog collar.. make you know many of them are PRETTY GOOD related to balto! and yes i give as example my saintclair saga, they've been called sparkledogs because ONE of them was wearing a dog collar anyway is a Balto fan saga and it will tell all balto's story since his birth to his death under a fantasy sight.,

what have that of bad? aren't we here to create balto fan works? what is this then?

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
Cactus: EXACTLY. I can understand if it's a big mumble jumble of uncordinated colours, with over-rated features like two dragon tails or a lion's mand or such. I find that nonsense... odd. But again, I bite my tounge. I don't intend to offend anyone or cause myself to sound like a whiner. It's about time we should be allowed to express ourselves! (But, as long as it's even just a little reasonable.)

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
If there was a way to vote for fan news, I'd vote this WAY down.
Sell-out.

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
if you want to get your eyes burned right out of your head, be my guest or our i should say.

November 22, 2010
Webmaster Canada Female
Co-leader d'Animation Source
I don't agree with the fact that you now allow sparkle dogs and cat characters. What's going on here, seriously? It's not going to bring things back up and solve our problems. I'm sorry, but this will just keep Balto Source going down. What is the point of keeping Balto Source running if we allow just a bunch of ''out of subject'' content?

Just because some kids are crying because they can't do whatever they want here?
By example a pink and green wolf with red eyes and two wings.

I'm sorry but this is not part of Balto's universe and thus, shouldn't be allowed at all (as for cat characters) We've said only the animals featured in the series. Here, I think it's far enough for possibilities. It's Balto Source here. Let's respect the main subject of the site, which is Balto!

You shouldn't allow those two things. By always making those types of exceptions, you'll just bring up more and more out of subject content and Balto Source's authenticity will be lost. For what will we have supported this site since 6 years? Nothing, really.

I'm very disappointed here. I though you've wanted to make Balto Source for Balto's Fans! Plus, you've said it yourself: You don't want to make BS a Deviantart like site. But again, by allowing all those crappy characters, (who for 90% of them only have a thing like ''lives in Nome'' as a relation to Balto) you'll get BS look a doggy Deviantart.

Let's keep up Balto Source for Balto's Fans!
If kids want to do fantasy/sparkel green and pink doggies, they should do them on Deviantart, not here, please!

The site will lose many members, many old members, that were devoted to the site and that's already beginning. We didn't needed that...

I'm a proud member here since 2005 and it's very disappointing to see what BS has become. I'm still trying to keep things up but when I see this type of News, I just can't admit it's real....

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
@Spirit of the Wild: "I was taught to DEAL with it and not fuss about it"

haha amen. So many people on this site get all weird and dramatic over sparkledogs! I just don't see how they're so upsetting or why they matter to anyone, but OK.

November 22, 2010
Switzerland Female
Anastasia Admin
*Shakes head* The Fancharacters section is going to be trash now, I can foresee that. Many kids only rely on eye sight (Heh, this site has many of those) for "Creativity" as for background information...many already cannot do that well.

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
I found some of this pleasing, the "sparkledog" tidbit you refered to was very satisfying.
I am beggining to find the rude and unneccary taunts and remarks thrown at this style of dog very annoying and, honestly, not worth the time. I agree, we should be allowed to create these "unique" characters of our own, and not have people complain and whine about it. We all have different tastes in things, but, I was taught to DEAL with it and not fuss about it.

Anyways. I rambled a bit. xD
Nice article, though.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
good. At least you can recognise that your argument (we should leave him alone) is senseless. I wont argue either, I dont intend to spend all day here. My big long post displays my opinions perfectly. I will leave it at that.


Of course Steet has a right to make changes, and we, as users, have a right to disagree, and argue against them. As the users, we are the life-blood of the site, therefore, our opinions are all valid and essential to the existance of the site.

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
Yes, I like his decision. I am not going to argue.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
Your argument is still invalid. If he forever condemned sparkledogs, you would "complain to much" not respect his decision. You just defend him because you happen to like his decision.

BanCat and Aluna are spot on

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
and I feel he doesn't do his job.. We all have opinions.

November 22, 2010
Uk Female
Rock of Ages
Not to mention the argument "because they're popular" is null and void. (censored) is popular too; should we allow that?

FURSONAS don't belong. This is supposed to be a FAN site for fan creations. Since when are sparkledogs and fursonas fan creations?

November 22, 2010
Switzerland Female
Anastasia Admin
If people wanna complain, they will. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
I just fell you complain to him too much.

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
Balto-the-wolf-dog, yes, he should respect every member equally and not ignore his job, if he didn't want the responsibility, he should have never made the sites to begin with.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
You support the one change he made. If he changed it the other way, you would be rejecting it like the rest of us. Your argument that we should leave him alone is invalid.

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
More then just me support sparkle-dogs. Many users firsonas have been banned because of a unusual looking collar or something like that. It is unfair, I support Steet.

November 21, 2010
Uk Female
Rock of Ages
Yaaaay. More headaches about stupid sparklemutts ahead. =___=

Guest
Guest
November 21, 2010
i'm just saying he can take a break when ever he wants.

November 21, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
@Noss5
Of course he can do whatever he wants, in my lengthy post I strongly backed his ability to do so. However, that does not mean that he should ignore what his users want. Just because you happen to like the allowing of sparkledogs, doesnt mean that he should ignore what the rest of the site wants, and "do whatever he wants" because you happen to like the changes

Guest
Guest
November 21, 2010
Just let him be for a while. He runs the site, so he can do what he wants. I don't want to get into an argument.

Guest
Guest
November 21, 2010
Alright, I get that, but if he wanted a break, don't you think he'd just take one already? I mean I can easily take a break from the computer, by just LOGGING OFF. Its that simple.

Guest
Guest
November 21, 2010
I'm just saying, once and a while it would be nice if you gave him a break. His whole life isn't about worrying about the sources and complaints about the site. He hardly gets a break, so it would be nice to leave him alone for a while.

November 21, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
I think I have to agree with grey wolf, this is a Balto site, not DA. Also, I really don't see someone having a strong opinion as reasonto ban them. I strongly respect the ability to formulate a strong argument. I have argued with JC myself, again with JC as the instigator, and I have to say I found it very refreshing to argue with someone who could do more then just contradict me.


I joined this site because I am a Balto fan, not because I am a furry, which I am not, and this site really seems to be going in the direction of a furry site. Now, ii have absalutly nothing against furries, but that simply is not what this site is for. Now, this is your domain, Steet, I believe that you are free to do as you please with it. However, as a user here, and as a domain owner, I strongly adivse you against it. There are plenty if people like me here. I promise you, if the site keeps digressing like this, you will loose me and many other previously loyal and proud members. Digression in the interest of gaining new members, as seems to be the case here, will get you nowhere.

Bare in mind, I am not speaking from an inexperianced position. I am a domain owner like yourself. My domain comes in the form of a server of the video game Garry's Mod, the only physics game that could ever be considered an engineering game. Now, there are many ways such a game could be played, but I hold my server to the engineering, programming, and math aspects. We use trig on a daily basis, do things like replicate helicopter mechanics, replicate the systems used by the B-2 spirit to make our own flying wings, and compensate for ballistic trajectories. Not things easily done, in fact Garry's Mod is the only game where you can be limited by your own mathmatical ability. Of course, to most people, this is boring. As a result, I have only a small quantity of loyal members, however, I would never widen the range of activities simply to gain more players. I could make it a roleplay server, and quadruple my playerbase, but I would never do that.

My point is, balto, like math and engineering, is a rather tight subject that the majority of people will find boring. However, an increase in users is no real reason to change or loosen the subject. This site is a coalition of Balto fans, as my server is a coalition of mathemetitions, programmers, and engineers. Obviously, like Balto Source, the players of my server all share similar interests. There are forums that try to encoumpas a wide range, and they all suffer from disorganization, abusive administration, and are ridden with pointless flamewars. Facepunch is a perfect example. Sure it has a massive userbase, but it is a very poor forum. I always thought this forum and it's usually unabusive administration to be a superior website.

Now, I say this in all respect, and this being your domain, you are free to do what you want with it.

Guest
Guest
November 21, 2010
but it is his Job to listen to the members and fix their problems, if he can't handle it why did he make all the other sites?

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