Written by steet :
I will address here two of the main problems occuring with moderation on the site recently. I thought this was important enough to display this publicly.
First, the characters rules. As I said in a MASS PM sent to all the moderators, the only valid character rules are the ones written on the site (how are members supposed to know rules that are not visible to them?)
Now, I will request you to be more lenient when it comes to the rules. Everyone has different feelings on what SHOULD be allowed or not, so stick to what is CLEARLY written.
So yes, "Sparkle Dogs" should be allowed, because A LOT of people do like them. Cats characters on Balto Source should be allowed too, because A LOT of people can like seeing something more varied, a character that's not just another wolf or dog. (unless someone is not in good faith and is posting ONLY cats characters...) We can't just go and make a list of EVERY species that are allowed or not, on EVERY site.
In the long term, there will be categories, which will allow pretty much everything to be accepted, but put into different categories. So that each visitors can then filter the categories he/she doesn't want to see. (like sparkledogs or different species, for example) Because, after all, what is the REAL problem behind sparkledogs for example? It is that you DONT want to see them PERSONALLY. And again, each person has different views on what they want to see or not.
In the meantime, I'm asking the mods to be too restrictive on what is accepted.
As for JerseyCaptain issues with Togo : I have to admit all this gives me a headache. I did not answer on this yet because I wanted to take the time to read everything properly.
Yes, I'm still planning to add a better moderation system, with automated warnings etc...Until then, mods should either use the external forums, or the mods forums on each site to keep tracks of them.
JC's someone with very strong opinions, who sticks to them and always want to have the final word. And by doing so, he just irritates anyone who "dare" answer to his messages. JC, honestly, when you see that you're annoying most people, can't you just *drop it* and move to something else? It's also valid to the others. When you see a topic's going nowhere, wouldn't it to better to stop?
Come on people, you're supposed to have fun here! Not give headhaches to the others!!!
So here's what I think : yes, from what I read, JC's attitude deserved a ban. He can be very resourceful and posts very interesting articles, but when it comes to the forums, he just doesn't know when to END an argument. To his defense, I don't think he does that on "purpose" : he just doesn't realize how much his messages can get irritating.
My suggestion : now that it's clear to everyone, I will give him a last chance. Please do the necessary to remove all the warnings and the ban from him. But, at the very instant he gets into a new argument in a topic, this warrants a warning, and 3 warnings a ban. And if that happens, the ban should be on the forums only - not the site.
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Dreamer
Sparkledogs are in NO way "connected to the balto universe". this is just ridiculous.
Sparkle dogs do NOT belong on Balto source, they belong on DEVIANTART along with all the other scene/emo/vampire/eye cancer causing- rainbow splattered-dogs -.-
why don't you make a sparkle dog source? -_-
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People will see that the fan characters are the biggest part of these web sites, and what will be the first thing they notice? Not the good characters, no. They'll notice the sparkleanimals and assume this is just another wolfaboo website for furries, when in reality its for people who are a fan of the movies. (One would think that those who like the movie wouldn't want to tarnish it with anything that doesn't truly belong there. But that's my personal opinion.)
Another thing, the filter thing is a good idea. But then you'll have people claiming that their red wolf with blue Dalmatian spots isn't a sparkledog (they're Jenna's nephew and he's part wolf part Dalmatian, part blue tick hound). And we'll end up seeing those. And then the mods will do their part saying "Yes its a sparkledog" and then more whining from the fans will ensue because "THE MODS SAID THIS IS A SPARKLEDOG AND ITS NOT OMG THEY'RE SO MEAN START A PETITION AGAINST THE MODS" etc etc.
So yea. Anyway. There is a site for different-colored dogs with weird hair. All Dogs Go To Heaven Source has those. No reason they can't be there xD They just shouldn't be on BALTO Source.
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(This is my opinion and that is all it is.) I myself DON'T like seeing rainbow coloured dogs with symbols and super powers and all that, (although there are some exceptions with the colours depending on the style of art and everything). But then again I REALLY hate seeing dogs/wolves wearing clothes, looking frighteningly human like- "anthros"... But I am aware that many people like both these art styles so I accept that, respect the artist and get on with my own artwork. If you really dislike something that much then just ignore it.
My second point, someone has already pointed this out, Dixie is purple! (Technically she must be a sparkle dog...) Now before the ban was lifted a dog of that colour, unless it actually was Dixie, would not be accepted. I do think that this was a little unfair really.
Another very valid point- I've seen people write, "It's a sparkle dog! When have you ever seen a blue dog ect, etc?"... We mustn't forget that Balto is a cartoon and there are SO many things in cartoons that you would never see in real life... In Balto, for example... Since when did dogs learn to understanding English? Since when did you see a goose and two polar bears hugging a dog (Balto)? And purple dogs and bright red dogs? ... Need I go on?
My last point, If people are thinking that this site will turn into "Sparkle Source" or something, well that's just not going to happen because there are many people here that are AGAINST it. Those people will not be putting up Sparkle Dogs. I for one am not going to be creating any Sparkle Dogs. I'm not saying that the Balto world needs to be split in two, but it seems to me that " The Sparkle Dog Crew" and "The Anti Sparkle Mutt Gang" are going to be rivals.
I'm sure that Steet had a good reason for taking the ban off "sparkle dogs" and, no doubt, good intentions. I personally do not think that we should be questioning his judgement really, although I can see why some people are frustrated and feel strongly about this. It makes sense really- I'm not exactly sure how this kind of reaction wasn't anticipated, however. Or maybe it was?
I'd like to make a suggestion that is likely to be dismissed- perhaps there could be a specific place on the site where sparkle dogs are allowed and then, because there are so many that are so strongly against it, the rest of the site be as sparkle free zone? Of course this may not even be possible and the decisions are down to Steet, because at the end of the day this is his site.
((EDIT) I just saw about the filter part at the end of Steet's post... So what exactly is the problem?)
I'm sorry this is a little long winded, but I just wanted to point a few things out. Again, this is just an opinion and I didn't mean to offend anyone. ^^
pala
I don't see how, "EWWW! LOOK AT THAT UGLY SPARKLE DOG," is an opinion.
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EDIT: In a way that can be an opinion, but a very rude one. There is ZERO need go onto someones sparkle character page and harass them about it. How does that help? How does that solve anything? It doesn't help at all. All your doing is feeding the flame. Your intention might not be, but the way you're doing it is backfiring on you. There is no other way to take a comment like that...Your more than welcome to voice your opinion, but they don't belong on peoples character pages. I think were a bit more mature than that.
I will NOT hesitate to delete any further comments like that, nor will any other mod. Before I'm questioned, I'm NOT protecting the sparkle dogs. I'm doing my job by trying to keep things under control. No bad comments, no problems.
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But I must admit, I love the subjective thought of a 'sparkledog'; colored dog with wings and pixie dust. Heh.
About the JC vs. Togo deal: I am not interested therefor I will not comment about it.
pala
This all reminds me of something someone recently showed me about sparkle dogs from "Encyclopaedia Dramatica" (after this controversy started to blossom). Now, I would love to show it, but it is not really fit for Animation Source, and since it is a website for trolls, I hardly wish to promote a place like that (which is full of basement-dwelling ding dongs
If anyone wants to see it, PM me and I will provide the link privately. When I was shown the page, I bust a gut laughing!
I think this site already has a head start on that. From what I've noticed all the "new" characters are sparkle dogs. People are going to need sunglasses to go into that section of the site before you know it.
Fact: I once got a headache from looking at one. O___o It was that bad, and sadly it was one I made for demonstration. It was the lineart one that I colored and wrote, "Do we really need sparkle dogs?"
EDIT: This reminds me of when I made this image back in 2008. http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs3 [...] nbow_source_by_Mightybalto.png
And Tibbeh you're doing what I just said, ganing up on me because of my opinion on sparkle dogs. Either way BOTH sides have whined and cried because of sparkle dogs. Personally, there should be a limit and STEET needs to make that limit SOON, before this site turns into Rainbow Land.
I am not saying I hate Sparkledogs and I'm not saying I like them either, I am just stating there needs to be a limit or Balto Source will become Rainbow Wolves and Sparkle Dogs Source.
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Ahura: Sorry about that. Rough days in my life happen very often... And until I can find a way to vent my anger bad things may happen. I'll just focus on taking it elsewhere instead of flaming things up. I respect your right to state your opinion, and I'm sorry if anyone got offended by anything I said.
Everyone else: Who ever said I was a sparkledog fan? All I was trying to say is that if there's a filter, should it matter if you're a fan or not? If you are, you can choose to see them, if not, you can choose not to... simple as that. But... whatever. I won't say if I am a sparkledog fan or not. For now I'll remain 'nuetral to the public'. Cause it looks like I'd get attacked either way.
If someone put up a sparkle jewel dog up, I would go blind but, I would RESPECT the creator UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE that comment, "I hate sparkle dogs!" on a sparkle dogs's profile. I mean honestly GIVE SOME RESPECT PEOPLE!!!! If you don't like sparkle dogs then IGNORE!!!! Just because then world DOES NOT revolve around you do you have to wine like a baby?!
Eventully Steet, will take off Sparkle dogs, then put them back up because people complain AGAIN about colorful dogs. Poor Steet, you have to deal with this and you have half of your moderators making picket signs and screaming "NO SPARKLE DOGS!!!" and half drawing madly with color dogs saying, "LETS HAVE COLORFUL RAINBOW DOGS!!!"
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Life is quite similiar to this. Some people PREFER not seeing people kissing in public. Some people CHOOSE never to eat meat and become vegatarians. Some people DECIDED never to get married. If we simply apply this to the whole issue, perhaps we could find some peace.
The public (emphasis on the "public"-not the "little nine-year-olds" theory you all are engrossed in) spoke up, and Steet listened. That, in better, sensible terms, is what happened. There is no "good cop" and there is no "bad cop" in this situation. Steet was listening to the public. He also made this decision on his own-as Hunter said, and as I said before) this is his site, and his rules. This is his battle, not ours. We only have a voice in this war because Steet allowed us to. So, please, stick with my motto-
Team Sparkledog?
Team Naturaldog?
Team Whateverdog.
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pala
Everything looks like it did last week, and the week before, and the week before..... but chin up guys. The wave will hit soon. Keep those complaining muscles warm.
(Of course, I'm just talking about the fanart/image section. For all I know the character mods will suddenly approve a bunch of sparkles, once they have wiped the blood from their eyes??)
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