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Characters rules, and JerseyCaptain

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I will address here two of the main problems occuring with moderation on the site recently. I thought this was important enough to display this publicly.

First, the characters rules. As I said in a MASS PM sent to all the moderators, the only valid character rules are the ones written on the site (how are members supposed to know rules that are not visible to them?)
Now, I will request you to be more lenient when it comes to the rules. Everyone has different feelings on what SHOULD be allowed or not, so stick to what is CLEARLY written.

So yes, "Sparkle Dogs" should be allowed, because A LOT of people do like them. Cats characters on Balto Source should be allowed too, because A LOT of people can like seeing something more varied, a character that's not just another wolf or dog. (unless someone is not in good faith and is posting ONLY cats characters...) We can't just go and make a list of EVERY species that are allowed or not, on EVERY site.

In the long term, there will be categories, which will allow pretty much everything to be accepted, but put into different categories. So that each visitors can then filter the categories he/she doesn't want to see. (like sparkledogs or different species, for example) Because, after all, what is the REAL problem behind sparkledogs for example? It is that you DONT want to see them PERSONALLY. And again, each person has different views on what they want to see or not.
In the meantime, I'm asking the mods to be too restrictive on what is accepted.



As for JerseyCaptain issues with Togo : I have to admit all this gives me a headache. I did not answer on this yet because I wanted to take the time to read everything properly.
Yes, I'm still planning to add a better moderation system, with automated warnings etc...Until then, mods should either use the external forums, or the mods forums on each site to keep tracks of them.
JC's someone with very strong opinions, who sticks to them and always want to have the final word. And by doing so, he just irritates anyone who "dare" answer to his messages. JC, honestly, when you see that you're annoying most people, can't you just *drop it* and move to something else? It's also valid to the others. When you see a topic's going nowhere, wouldn't it to better to stop?

Come on people, you're supposed to have fun here! Not give headhaches to the others!!!

So here's what I think : yes, from what I read, JC's attitude deserved a ban. He can be very resourceful and posts very interesting articles, but when it comes to the forums, he just doesn't know when to END an argument. To his defense, I don't think he does that on "purpose" : he just doesn't realize how much his messages can get irritating.
My suggestion : now that it's clear to everyone, I will give him a last chance. Please do the necessary to remove all the warnings and the ban from him. But, at the very instant he gets into a new argument in a topic, this warrants a warning, and 3 warnings a ban. And if that happens, the ban should be on the forums only - not the site.
 




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November 30, 2010
Usa Male
Mostly active on DeviantArt
deviantart? are you serious?! I`m only TEN! and you have to be thirteen to join! now how in the world am i supposed to put my sparkledogs?! huh? don`t meen to be a jerk, but im just not pretty happy right now.

November 30, 2010
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
Oh yes, a sparkle dog source. Hmm, I like that idea. lol Just edit Girls Fashion Source around a bit. Its perfect!

November 30, 2010
Usa Female
Let me be your everlasting light
..honestly? HONESTLY? is THIS what Balto Source has become? it was WAY better back in 2006. I'm very disappointed, though I'm *SURE* the sparkledog lovers really appreciate that call.
Sparkledogs are in NO way "connected to the balto universe". this is just ridiculous.

Sparkle dogs do NOT belong on Balto source, they belong on DEVIANTART along with all the other scene/emo/vampire/eye cancer causing- rainbow splattered-dogs -.-

why don't you make a sparkle dog source? -_-
°x°

November 30, 2010
Usa Female
Luxray FTW!!!
Ahura: You weren't voicing your opinion very well then. You were insulting the character and creator, actually. -.- Twice.

November 29, 2010
Piano --> You make some very good points. The filter thing is a good idea, HOWEVER. Some people, whether they like Sparkledogs or not, simply don't want that kind of reputation for a website(s) that's dedicated to one particular movie. NOT one particular fanbase (in this case, sparkledog lovers).

People will see that the fan characters are the biggest part of these web sites, and what will be the first thing they notice? Not the good characters, no. They'll notice the sparkleanimals and assume this is just another wolfaboo website for furries, when in reality its for people who are a fan of the movies. (One would think that those who like the movie wouldn't want to tarnish it with anything that doesn't truly belong there. But that's my personal opinion.)

Another thing, the filter thing is a good idea. But then you'll have people claiming that their red wolf with blue Dalmatian spots isn't a sparkledog (they're Jenna's nephew and he's part wolf part Dalmatian, part blue tick hound). And we'll end up seeing those. And then the mods will do their part saying "Yes its a sparkledog" and then more whining from the fans will ensue because "THE MODS SAID THIS IS A SPARKLEDOG AND ITS NOT OMG THEY'RE SO MEAN START A PETITION AGAINST THE MODS" etc etc.

So yea. Anyway. There is a site for different-colored dogs with weird hair. All Dogs Go To Heaven Source has those. No reason they can't be there xD They just shouldn't be on BALTO Source.

November 29, 2010
Uk Female
Well... I've been reading all these comments and I don't know... I respect everyone's opinions because, after all, everyone is entitled to an opinion; but that doesn't mean that I have to agree. I personally don't see what all the fuss is about.

(This is my opinion and that is all it is.) I myself DON'T like seeing rainbow coloured dogs with symbols and super powers and all that, (although there are some exceptions with the colours depending on the style of art and everything). But then again I REALLY hate seeing dogs/wolves wearing clothes, looking frighteningly human like- "anthros"... But I am aware that many people like both these art styles so I accept that, respect the artist and get on with my own artwork. If you really dislike something that much then just ignore it.

My second point, someone has already pointed this out, Dixie is purple! (Technically she must be a sparkle dog...) Now before the ban was lifted a dog of that colour, unless it actually was Dixie, would not be accepted. I do think that this was a little unfair really.

Another very valid point- I've seen people write, "It's a sparkle dog! When have you ever seen a blue dog ect, etc?"... We mustn't forget that Balto is a cartoon and there are SO many things in cartoons that you would never see in real life... In Balto, for example... Since when did dogs learn to understanding English? Since when did you see a goose and two polar bears hugging a dog (Balto)? And purple dogs and bright red dogs? ... Need I go on?

My last point, If people are thinking that this site will turn into "Sparkle Source" or something, well that's just not going to happen because there are many people here that are AGAINST it. Those people will not be putting up Sparkle Dogs. I for one am not going to be creating any Sparkle Dogs. I'm not saying that the Balto world needs to be split in two, but it seems to me that " The Sparkle Dog Crew" and "The Anti Sparkle Mutt Gang" are going to be rivals. °x°

I'm sure that Steet had a good reason for taking the ban off "sparkle dogs" and, no doubt, good intentions. I personally do not think that we should be questioning his judgement really, although I can see why some people are frustrated and feel strongly about this. It makes sense really- I'm not exactly sure how this kind of reaction wasn't anticipated, however. Or maybe it was?

I'd like to make a suggestion that is likely to be dismissed- perhaps there could be a specific place on the site where sparkle dogs are allowed and then, because there are so many that are so strongly against it, the rest of the site be as sparkle free zone? Of course this may not even be possible and the decisions are down to Steet, because at the end of the day this is his site.

((EDIT) I just saw about the filter part at the end of Steet's post... So what exactly is the problem?)

I'm sorry this is a little long winded, but I just wanted to point a few things out. Again, this is just an opinion and I didn't mean to offend anyone. ^^

November 29, 2010
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
Golly...something appears to actually be overshadowing the "JC vs. Togo thing". *GASP!* The horror! :icon300:

November 29, 2010
Usa Male
Fueling conflict isn't my goal. It is to make people aware of the issue, then get a decisive action on the matter. This issue cannot be allowed to explode into civil war on the BS. Its clear what the right course of action needs to be. There are too many people who feel strongly about this decision for it to be placed in the corner until it can get dealt with. I know some are taking steps in the right direction but I have yet to see the fruit of their labors, hopefully I will soon see.

November 29, 2010
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
So be it. But I will repeat myself, posting comments like that will do nothing but make people angry and fuel the flame, and that's not what we want here.

November 29, 2010
Usa Male
Because that is an opinion. Its a view held by many on the BS whether they openly say it or privately hold that view but don't openly say so.

November 29, 2010
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
An opinion is one thing, but flaming is another.

I don't see how, "EWWW! LOOK AT THAT UGLY SPARKLE DOG," is an opinion.
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EDIT: In a way that can be an opinion, but a very rude one. There is ZERO need go onto someones sparkle character page and harass them about it. How does that help? How does that solve anything? It doesn't help at all. All your doing is feeding the flame. Your intention might not be, but the way you're doing it is backfiring on you. There is no other way to take a comment like that...Your more than welcome to voice your opinion, but they don't belong on peoples character pages. I think were a bit more mature than that.°x° Its common sense.

I will NOT hesitate to delete any further comments like that, nor will any other mod. Before I'm questioned, I'm NOT protecting the sparkle dogs. I'm doing my job by trying to keep things under control. No bad comments, no problems.

November 29, 2010
Usa Male
I am already in trouble. I have people telling me to shut up because I happen to voice myself.

November 29, 2010
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
Ahura, it doesn't matter what the subject, if a comment is rude it WILL be deleted. Now I don't care for sparkle dogs myself, but posting a flame on someones sparkle dog is NOT going to solve anything...It will just make matters worse, and yourself in trouble.

November 29, 2010
Mods
No offence for winged dogs fan girls (and boys), but I completely disagree with it. The Balto Fandom doesn't need that, seriously. Collar here and there ok, but a blinding colored dog is unneeded. People can be original in many ways using the basic colors. Besides it shouldn't matter, creativity isn't shown in a huge patch of pink.
But I must admit, I love the subjective thought of a 'sparkledog'; colored dog with wings and pixie dust. Heh.

About the JC vs. Togo deal: I am not interested therefor I will not comment about it.

November 29, 2010
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
LOL Mighty - you keep coming up with winners!

This all reminds me of something someone recently showed me about sparkle dogs from "Encyclopaedia Dramatica" (after this controversy started to blossom). Now, I would love to show it, but it is not really fit for Animation Source, and since it is a website for trolls, I hardly wish to promote a place like that (which is full of basement-dwelling ding dongs lol...adults and not). However, the page on sparkle dogs (and "wolfaboos", another page I was shown which really relates to some cornball behavior by some members on this and other fan sites) was extremely amusing!

If anyone wants to see it, PM me and I will provide the link privately. When I was shown the page, I bust a gut laughing!

November 29, 2010
Usa Male
I think the fact that the comments that are posted on the sparkle dogs character pages and are reported immediately is completely asinine. I thought you could post and voice your opinion and not fear being reprimanded. Regardless whether comments are deemed rude and or offensive they should be left alone. If it helps reveal the fact that many people on here don't want these hideous sparkle things on here it shows just how unpopular this decision is. Creating categories to screen out the sparkle dogs will not end the conflict. It will only aggravate it by showing these things are given special treatment despite the fact they are loathed. It will not stop the comments from being made infact it will encourage new ones. A line in the sand must be drawn. Zero tolerance, no sparkles, dogs with five hundred piercings, emo dogs with multiple razor blade cuts, and chimera dogs with multiple sets of wings. To those who say these things encourage creativity, I don't remember when it was ever creative to be generic and follow the same thing that everyone else was doing. Keep the Baltosource relavent to things that pertain to the films and the true story and not allow these abominations onto the site.

November 29, 2010
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
""STEET needs to make that limit SOON, before this site turns into Rainbow Land.""

I think this site already has a head start on that. From what I've noticed all the "new" characters are sparkle dogs. People are going to need sunglasses to go into that section of the site before you know it.

Fact: I once got a headache from looking at one. O___o It was that bad, and sadly it was one I made for demonstration. It was the lineart one that I colored and wrote, "Do we really need sparkle dogs?"

EDIT: This reminds me of when I made this image back in 2008. http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs3 [...] nbow_source_by_Mightybalto.png


November 29, 2010
Usa Male
This site as Somes stated is the Baltosource. Last time I recall, rainbow colored dogs weren't in the films. Given this has gained so much attention this needs to be addressed. My poll in the forums also has shown many people feel strongly about this issue.

Guest
Guest
November 29, 2010
I agree with Moki Hunter. Althouth I am a part of the "younger" genertaion here on BS, I understand it has changed a lot, along with the type of people and the type of opinions. You can't say anthing without people ganging up on you for your opinion like sparkle dogs. Some people want them and some people wish they never existed. Either way both sides need to understand, THIS IS NOT RAINBOW DOG SOURCE!!!! THIS IS BALTO SOURCE!!!! Both sides need to stop complaining and realize this. This is NOT some website where you make dogs and wolves that have a relation to Balto by "living in Nome" You need to be creative about your characters in a different way than apperance!!! Make them Balto's cousin or uncle or great-grandpa, for all I care!! But really you need to make it realistic!!!

And Tibbeh you're doing what I just said, ganing up on me because of my opinion on sparkle dogs. Either way BOTH sides have whined and cried because of sparkle dogs. Personally, there should be a limit and STEET needs to make that limit SOON, before this site turns into Rainbow Land.

I am not saying I hate Sparkledogs and I'm not saying I like them either, I am just stating there needs to be a limit or Balto Source will become Rainbow Wolves and Sparkle Dogs Source.

November 29, 2010
Usa Male
RP Addicts & Off Topicers
Oh vey. I can never say anything anymore without people trying to gang up on me... Oh well.
Ahura: Sorry about that. Rough days in my life happen very often... And until I can find a way to vent my anger bad things may happen. I'll just focus on taking it elsewhere instead of flaming things up. I respect your right to state your opinion, and I'm sorry if anyone got offended by anything I said.

Everyone else: Who ever said I was a sparkledog fan? All I was trying to say is that if there's a filter, should it matter if you're a fan or not? If you are, you can choose to see them, if not, you can choose not to... simple as that. But... whatever. I won't say if I am a sparkledog fan or not. For now I'll remain 'nuetral to the public'. Cause it looks like I'd get attacked either way.

November 29, 2010
Usa Female
I'm not a wolf. Kthxbai.
I'm sorry, the people who DON'T like sparklewolves whine like a baby? Why do you think they are even allowed now? Because the people who DO like the things cried and whined about how their "creativity" was being held back because they couldn't put horrible looking dogs with clashing colors here. So you're completely ignoring that fact. The lot of us who don't like sparklewolves are told to "suck it up" and "deal with it", but the children who cried till they got what they wanted were never told that. Double standards? I think so. Seems like Steet is really starting to cater more to the new members than the older ones now. Shame.

Guest
Guest
November 29, 2010
Some sparkledogs are WAY too over the top. I mean I have a character (that has blue paint on him that never came off) that the moderators wouldn't let on until the "Sparkle Dog Act" I mean really? He dosen't even resemble a sparkle dogs but they didn't put him up until Steet let Sparkle Dogs up! I personally think that if your canine has paint then it should be allowed on sparkle dog or not.

If someone put up a sparkle jewel dog up, I would go blind but, I would RESPECT the creator UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE that comment, "I hate sparkle dogs!" on a sparkle dogs's profile. I mean honestly GIVE SOME RESPECT PEOPLE!!!! If you don't like sparkle dogs then IGNORE!!!! Just because then world DOES NOT revolve around you do you have to wine like a baby?!

Eventully Steet, will take off Sparkle dogs, then put them back up because people complain AGAIN about colorful dogs. Poor Steet, you have to deal with this and you have half of your moderators making picket signs and screaming "NO SPARKLE DOGS!!!" and half drawing madly with color dogs saying, "LETS HAVE COLORFUL RAINBOW DOGS!!!"


November 28, 2010
Usa Female
AS's own Petrova Doopelganger
And that previous message of mine was not directed towards anyone or anything. It was unbaised. Honestly, i barely read the comments of others, i only see main ideas. No flame intended, no flame asked for.

November 28, 2010
Usa Female
AS's own Petrova Doopelganger
Everyone is completely entitled to their own descisions, yes. For instance, how a country should be ruled, what movie ratings should be, EVEN what you should eat for dinner. Precisely why Steet split this all into categories.

Life is quite similiar to this. Some people PREFER not seeing people kissing in public. Some people CHOOSE never to eat meat and become vegatarians. Some people DECIDED never to get married. If we simply apply this to the whole issue, perhaps we could find some peace.

The public (emphasis on the "public"-not the "little nine-year-olds" theory you all are engrossed in) spoke up, and Steet listened. That, in better, sensible terms, is what happened. There is no "good cop" and there is no "bad cop" in this situation. Steet was listening to the public. He also made this decision on his own-as Hunter said, and as I said before) this is his site, and his rules. This is his battle, not ours. We only have a voice in this war because Steet allowed us to. So, please, stick with my motto-

Team Sparkledog?
Team Naturaldog?

Team Whateverdog. :P

November 27, 2010
Hunter --> On a side note, we told y'all sparkledog fans to deal with the fact that they don't belong on this site, so what did you do? You complained exponentially whenever your (in general) character gets deactivated for the same exact reasons. So "dealing with it" is not a proper thing to say in this case. Not that I'd expect anything like that.

November 27, 2010
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
This exchange between Hunter and Ahura demonstrates a much more pressing issue which steet ought to be addressing, by way of revamping and POSTING the site rules (including rules governing staff behavior and prevention of excesses and abuses), rather than worrying about sparkle dogs and me ( :icon297: ). And that is the prevalence, in the last few years, of members attacking other members for simply having an opinion about something. While I am absolutely neutral about this momentarily little tiff between these two, I was attacked in the shoutbox last night (in front of several witnesses who defended me) simply because I too offered an opinion (IN JEST!) on sparkle dogs. And the person who attacked me kept going on, and on, and ON. Clearly, the staff's time would be better served dealing with those who attack others' opinions and flame them rather than worrying about sparkle dogs and -- as in my case, and related to the Hunter-Ahura thing -- punishing the person who is attacked rather than the attacker.

November 27, 2010
Usa Male
Hunter: While I respect your right to criticize me, respect my right to voice myself. If not then be quiet.

November 27, 2010
Usa Female
I don't understand, I keep coming back here everyday hoping to see the sparkapocalypse and it has not happened yet?! I am looking SO HARD at the uploads to watch the site descend into hell but I don't see it. Just like a magic eye picture, everyone keeps talking about things I can't see.... :(

Everything looks like it did last week, and the week before, and the week before..... but chin up guys. The wave will hit soon. Keep those complaining muscles warm.

(Of course, I'm just talking about the fanart/image section. For all I know the character mods will suddenly approve a bunch of sparkles, once they have wiped the blood from their eyes??)

November 27, 2010
Usa Female
I'm not a wolf. Kthxbai.
I don't see why it /shouldn't/ be called a bad decision if that's Ahura's opinion. Unless Steet also made a rule that limited those as well. (And that's said with no offense to you, Hunter. But if Ahura thinks that Steet allowing sparkledogs to be a bad decision, well, that's just his opinion. And frankly a LOT of people would agree with that opinion).

November 27, 2010
Usa Male
RP Addicts & Off Topicers
Ahura Werewolf: It's his site, his decisions. DEAL. WITH. IT. If you even read all of it, they are going to be filtered. So anything that's a sparkle dog and you don't want to see it, you don't have to. Get over it for crying out loud. Not everyone has the same views as you. And besides, this ain't your site anyways. If it were, ya could do whatever you want, but I don't think calling it a bad decision on his part is a very good choice. °x°

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