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Some of you may be aware of the fact that a lot of us older members are upset over the fact that people are here for all the wrong reasons. This news is what this news will be focusing on.


Yes, this fan site is out of control, and needs to be fixed. At this rate Animation Source has gone above and beyond the words "fan site". So I would like you to ask yourself, am I truly a fan? Think hard, and think seriously. Because if you are a truly a fan of whatever site you may spend your time on, then you wouldn't be using this site as a character hub. You would be sending in submissions of strictly fan related content. Animation Source is not an alternate site for Deviantart. Nor is this a character hub. I've seen a lot of people who come here and make nothing but characters.

I would also like to stress the fact that this makes this site not able to function like it should. How? Well, let's take me for example. It makes it harder for me to post a fan news when there isn't much of any content worth sharing. You see where I'm going with this? No food=no dinner. This can also be said for the selection of the week. Sometimes this can be the fault of the mods, but sometimes it can also be the fact that there isn't anything to rotate to.

The following quote is by Imagine, and I have received her okay to post it here.

Link to post | The topic itself

"There's a difference between liking something and being a fan of it.

To like something, in terms of fan art, means to just draw something related to a movie or TV show and post it somewhere, (something like that) and it's okay if you only like something! :)

A true fan would be completely committed to drawing only characters from from that particular movie or TV show. Well, not 24/7 obviously, but on a fan site dedicated to that movie.

I like a lot of things. Oranges, pencils, vacations, softball, wasting time on the internet XD and if we're talking about movies. Animated--Lion King, Beauty and the Beast; Live Action--Just Go with It, Benchwarmers, and Valentine's Day (I'm a sucker for comedies XD)

But if I want to be a FAN of these things...I would be almost obsessed with them!

And then there is the size of fan. Meaning are you a BIG fan...or only a small fan? This is where it gets tricky... and I also think it's kinda hard where to draw the line between a fan, and a person who only likes it, especially if they claim to be a fan/not a fan. If it were easy, the problem would already be solved.

Here's the dictionary.com definition of "fan."

..."an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer"...

Enthusiastic. That's the key word in there. I have to admit I might be contradicting myself the more I write this, and that may be the problem this site has had for a long time. There is no device telling you how many fan arts of Balto you post in order to become a fan, or how many semi to non-related stuff you post in order not to be a fan. People have to decide that for themselves, and people...have their own opinions on such things. And BAM! Explosion of fights, flames, and wars reek havoc on innocent members...Bum bum buuuum!"


 

As of May 16th, the character hub idea has been voted out.

That doesn't mean that this over, and that you will be able to proceed with your characters. We're now considering a committee.

I would highly recommend, if you haven't already, to move ALL of your non-related characters to DA. Or any other site that you may be a member on that accepts art. 


Do you guys remember my joke from last month? The joke that all your characters will be moved to a new site? Well, this idea may just come to life (NOTE: This is just an idea. It may or may not happen, so don't panic). Like I said above, a lot of you seem to focus only on your characters, and a lot of them, at least from what I've seen, isn't even related to Balto. A lot of us members have thought that this site would be a good idea (Steet is okay with the idea). And before you go and say, "but this is Animation source". Any of you remember Gamebook Land (no longer exists)?  Well, Animation Source didn't exist at the time, but this site was completely indipenant from from Balto Source and the Lion King Source.

Quote by Steet | The topic itself

"- The difficulty of what is allowed or not is the main problem, as it can't be something really objective. As we've seen previously, having a character being "related" to a Balto character just doesn't work because people cheat.

- On the french side, since about 6 months, the characters must be activated before being on the site, and the moderators are filtering what comes in. It seems to work, but let's not forget that the amount of characters being validated on the french side is not even 1/10 of what's on the english site! Also, more submissions and more mods = conflicts over what should be allowed or not.

- And I remember that when mods had to validate characters on the english side, there were lots and lots of characters in the waiting list, always, no matter how many mods.

Here's what I suggest :

- Making the "Characters Source" site as suggested, and on this site, allow any kind of characters (as long as it respects the no-sex, no-violence rule), and no validation required by the mods.

- But on any other site, the submissions will have to be validated, and mods will filter what comes in.

- Then, I would post a news on the sites to let everyone know about this change, and allow them some time to move their "wrong" characters and art there.

- After that while, mods will be allowed to filter and delete any art/character that doesn't fit a site.
"


What classifies as not related?

Sparkle dogs

unrealistic designs

wings

legwarmers

pircings

scarfs

Anything that can be described as scene dog/emo dog, etc. If it can't happen in the movie of concern, then chances are you shouldn't send it.

Also, this doesn't mean you can't be creative, so don't go there. You can be just as creative with a realistic dog that is related to the movie of concern.

What is allowed?

Realistic colors and markings

Collars (if the animal of concern can wear one)

Relation to Balto. And not just: He lives in nome, or he knows Balto. Try and be more complex and devolop the character.

Your own version of one of Balto's un-named pups, or a character that was seen but has no name.

Human characters, but keep in a style that is from that time period.


If you're interested in helping in restoring this site, then  this is how you can help: Go through your galleries and delete anything that shouldn't be there. Go through your characters and clean them out. Send in content related to the site. The last thing you can do is use this banner here in your profile. But ONLY if Hecate says you can, she's very picky on who uses it.

So that will be all for now. Have a nice day!




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Comments

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
Hecate, yes, please translate the French rules. I'm not sure about the sparkle rule, but I guess I will look that over when I see the rules translated.

Lady: whatever works best for you.

Guest
Guest
May 17, 2012
Hecate- If you woukd translate the French Side rules, I will love you forever! I don't speak a lick of French, and they seem to have things under much more control than we do. :red: I also need some data from that side if we agree that the Plans should be rewritten slightly for their use. I need to know how bad things are over there (some kind of ratio of fan works and canon would be lovely) and how many members would be willing to help.

Committee Members: I have just rewritten the Plan into more (but more simple and defined) steps. What should I do? I'm thinking that making a forum topic would be the best means of getting it to everyone, but should it be public or via invitation to the other Members?

May 17, 2012
Belgium Female
Chasseuse de voleurs
if you want, I can translate all the french rules ( who are for all the sites, of course ) and then you can change them as you want them to be ^-^ And I can translate our subject about the Sparkle characters. But you've to know that on the french site, we give them the possibility to make unatural markings and a bit unatural colors. For example : A black lion doens't exist, but we let them make cause Black is natural colors for felines. And they can use a very little of totaly untatural colors for a little tatoo or something.
But if you don't have the mind then us about it, I totaly understand =P This would just be a begining ^-^

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Let me be your everlasting light
I'm reluctant to "clean out" my gallery so to speak, as I would like to keep everything that could be considered unrelated. But i am sending MANY more official character drawings these days. I will continue to do that in the future. :) so...I feel that should make up for it. xD

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
I'd be willing to do LATTS, and of coarse here.

Guest
Guest
May 17, 2012
Hehe, we should all take note of that Brown Wolf! I would also be willing to clean up SpiritSource, since that is where I have spent most of my time the past year or so. I could probably employ my sis to help on that, she's only on SS, and is obsessed with reporting characters anyway, as well as a few other friends in mind on said Source. With help like that, I would be willing to help with another Source as well, but my heart really goes out to BS and SS, my baby and my home. Besides, Heaven knows that BS will need all the help it can get!

May 17, 2012
Global Moderator Usa Female
Lady Aniu - It is a bit of a stretch, but this whole matter isn't just about Balto Source. It's about all the Source sites and all of them should be cleared of unrelated and sparkle works.

It might be a long shot (No, a very long shot) but I have a few friends on The Lion King Source who are cleaning out their galleries of anything non related and anything sparkle. And I have to admit I'm glad I personally don't have to worry about that, but I could go through the fan character page on TLKS and monitor it of anything related, non, and sparkle.

But, aside from taking care of TLKS, I could also look after Bambi Source - even though I don't have anything on there. Besides, I need to keep busy, so I'm volunteering, if that's alright.

Guest
Guest
May 17, 2012
Woopywulf: thank you! Every little but helps!

AngelDreamer: Yes, we decided that it would be too complicated, though it was well meaning and a clever solution. The questions of how to move everything to the Hub, how to keep it there, and how to get people to start posting their unrelated material there instead of to the Sources were all too complex to wrestle with. There were too many variables, and while I still like the idea, it's simply too complicated to carry out, like I said.

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
The new site idea was dissolved? Mmmk, I'll start cleaning house once the weekend starts.

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Let me be your everlasting light
awww phooey. xD I rather liked the idea of a separate character hub. lol

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Who knocks at the garden gate?
I deleted everything un-related. Finally. There's a huge weight just lifted off my shoulders! :)

Guest
Guest
May 17, 2012
I'm ecstatic that the Committee is getting so many votes! But I agree with Hecate, the next thing we should do is contact steer and let him know that we have scrapped the Hub idea and would like to consider the Committee idea instead. I actually thought this up earlier this evening, but we were at church, so thanks to Hecate for reminding me! And I'm am ever ready to volunteer for the Committee!

I know no one has mentioned any changes, but just to be safe, is there anything that I should edit/revise? The wording? The time line? Are we in agreement to follow this course of action anyway? I may sound hesitant, but I want to make sure that everyone is on the same page. If it pleases the court, I will rewrite the plan and maybe construct a forum page for it if it does need to be revised for any reason. One step I am putting out there to add is for the members and mods present to give ourselves time to recruit fellow members/mods that we would like to help. We have a great line up here all ready, but this handful will not be enough to go over the Sources. Which begs one more question that we have all looked over:
Are we just talking BaltoSource, or should we start here (the biggest work load) and then move to the other Sources? How long will that take? Would everybody that has volunteered now be willing to sift through the other Sources as well? And what about the French side?
I don't want to cause any ore trouble, but a precise plan should be mapped, and taking the other Sources into consideration should definitely be considered and discussed.

May 17, 2012
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
Yeah, I know Ancient. One of them is trying to bait me into responding with a comment posted just this evening. She's gonna try, but I have said I am not going to respond there anymore. And I am not, no matter what garbage she spews. The members will have to judge for themselves which they think is throwing b.s., and which is not. Me, or that particular moderator.

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
Alright, I've altered the news.

Ancient: I agree with that completely. I couldn't have said it better myself.

I've seen at least one member who has migrated over to DA, and another one who said they were thinking about leaving.

This is a small accomplishment, but it's a start.

May 17, 2012
Usa
Former mod/retired
JC: That is NOT how the system should work. Since when should the people in place(s) of power resort to bullying as means to get what they want? Last I checked, this was still steet's website (however much he cares for it to be), and if you're not doing anything wrong, they need to back the heck off. We're supposed to be working TOGETHER to help bring about the changes that the site needs, mods, regular members, and webmaster. Anyone who doesn't want that to happen is just selfish and probably shouldn't be on here or in any position of power.

As far as the characters are concerned, if we're scrapping the hub, I've noticed recently more members migrating to DA. The problem could take care of itself should that continue. But in taking care of this, I for one, agree with Aniu. Should a new website be made anyway, I'm not against that. As Imagine said, if it's going to take care of this problem in the right way, I'm for it.

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Who knocks at the garden gate?
The committee thing sounds really interesting. I like it. And if you need volunteers to do it I'll be available. (First I got to delete my OWN un-related stuff XD)

May 17, 2012
Global Moderator Usa Female
Okay, we ditch the character hub idea. Sounds reasonable, I think. And after thinking it over myself, it will bring nothing but chaos and we don't need more of that. I'd say the committee is our best bet, but I believe I've already said that.

May 17, 2012
Belgium Female
Chasseuse de voleurs
Maybe the best thing to do is to, like you said, don't make a new source for characters. But what could be a nice idea for the member is to tell them they should make they own site/forum about that, then they would be able to continue to make what they want with they friends from here. They just will have to make it by them self cause mods here will not do it.

For animation source, the next step is to catch Steet and talk about what we've said here, to see what he'll say about it and wish he'll be ok with us.

May 17, 2012
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
So if everyone agrees that the character hub is out, I'll edit the news stating so.

I'm all for the committee. I would say that is the next step.

May 16, 2012
Usa Female
Who knocks at the garden gate?
So now we're all suggesting that we ditch the new source idea? Hm. I made new rules for nothing XD

But I'll go along with anything the majority decides, because I don't want this to turn into some sort of Internet war (and you know how those get), and frankly I just want the Balto Source that I found back in 2007, when it was great and community full of committed fans. Not that it isn't now, but it's become less of that in recent years.

So, I'm still up for all of these rules up there ^, and if you guys think the new source idea might turn into chaos despite rules, than ok :) I won't argue. I just want the old Balto Source back, or maybe even something better.

Guest
Guest
May 16, 2012
I agree with Mighty, and I would like to bring my Committee plans back up. They have gotten an extremely positive result, but I'm up for anything that does some damage, if you get my meaning. xD

May 16, 2012
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
I think ditching the character hub idea for one.

May 16, 2012
Global Moderator Usa Female
So... Here's a question: How do we proceed?

Guest
Guest
May 16, 2012
Jersey: My heart goes out to you, my dear. It's a shame that you are being forced to keep your mouth shut about your beliefs, and please know that you have earned my utmost respect and I would follow you to the end, I can see that you are that dedicated to this. I also consider it an honor to be named as one of the leading members in this movement by you, whether I will be given a more in depth part in this process of not. Take care of yourself first, dear, and you've done the right thing by passing the baton to those you trust!

To the others mentioned (Mighty, Stevie, Hecate, and Brown Wolf): You should all know that you likewise have my respect, and that I am in this to the end, I've finally decided to commit to a better Sources!

May 16, 2012
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
Sorry guys - I'm still very much with you in spirit. It's just that, well, I CAN'T talk about it on-site. That would be begging for trouble. But suffice to say that I wasn't given a choice. I was made to believe that, if I were smart, I'd back off and keep my mouth shut. And not by some troll who just wants to cause trouble. Nope. And really, AND unfortunately, if I speak my mind any further, they're going to make good on it. They have a reason for not wanting me to have anything to do with any positive outcome on Animation Source, as it would be a major disaster for them. Somehow. Whatever that is, I cannot imagine, but it is quite apparent to me they believe it to be so. Sad...but apparently very true.

Hell, by my speaking so positively about you, Hecate (and some of you others), I hope I haven't jinxed you or brought a black mark down on you. Mighty understands what I mean. She's been a victim of it simply for associating with me and sticking by me as a friend.

This stuff needs to happen. And you guys are the ones to get it there, because you clearly have the same passion about it I have. And are willing to stick to your guns. And, as far as I know, you're not being minutely scrutinized the way I am.

The best of luck to you. And my best wishes for success.

May 16, 2012
Usa Female
Aurora Borealis Alpha Female
I'm already here to stay in this discussion. The voices of True Fans will be heard on my watch.

May 16, 2012
Global Moderator Usa Female
Mighty, Hecate, I'm willing to stick around too.

May 16, 2012
Belgium Female
Chasseuse de voleurs
I'll do too ^-^ ( Even if I already win my own fight xD )

May 16, 2012
Usa Female
Path of the Demon
I will continue in this till it's won or lost. I'm sure the others will too.

May 16, 2012
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
Hecate (et. al.): FYI, due to recent events, I am bowing out of this effort and this discussion completely. I am sorry. I believe, Hecate, that you are a key part in what can make this site RIGHT again...and I hope you continue to work towards that. You too, Mighty, AW, Lady_Aniu...and some others.

But I am out of this. I've run my course.

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