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Characters rules, and JerseyCaptain

Written by steet :



 

I will address here two of the main problems occuring with moderation on the site recently. I thought this was important enough to display this publicly.

First, the characters rules. As I said in a MASS PM sent to all the moderators, the only valid character rules are the ones written on the site (how are members supposed to know rules that are not visible to them?)
Now, I will request you to be more lenient when it comes to the rules. Everyone has different feelings on what SHOULD be allowed or not, so stick to what is CLEARLY written.

So yes, "Sparkle Dogs" should be allowed, because A LOT of people do like them. Cats characters on Balto Source should be allowed too, because A LOT of people can like seeing something more varied, a character that's not just another wolf or dog. (unless someone is not in good faith and is posting ONLY cats characters...) We can't just go and make a list of EVERY species that are allowed or not, on EVERY site.

In the long term, there will be categories, which will allow pretty much everything to be accepted, but put into different categories. So that each visitors can then filter the categories he/she doesn't want to see. (like sparkledogs or different species, for example) Because, after all, what is the REAL problem behind sparkledogs for example? It is that you DONT want to see them PERSONALLY. And again, each person has different views on what they want to see or not.
In the meantime, I'm asking the mods to be too restrictive on what is accepted.



As for JerseyCaptain issues with Togo : I have to admit all this gives me a headache. I did not answer on this yet because I wanted to take the time to read everything properly.
Yes, I'm still planning to add a better moderation system, with automated warnings etc...Until then, mods should either use the external forums, or the mods forums on each site to keep tracks of them.
JC's someone with very strong opinions, who sticks to them and always want to have the final word. And by doing so, he just irritates anyone who "dare" answer to his messages. JC, honestly, when you see that you're annoying most people, can't you just *drop it* and move to something else? It's also valid to the others. When you see a topic's going nowhere, wouldn't it to better to stop?

Come on people, you're supposed to have fun here! Not give headhaches to the others!!!

So here's what I think : yes, from what I read, JC's attitude deserved a ban. He can be very resourceful and posts very interesting articles, but when it comes to the forums, he just doesn't know when to END an argument. To his defense, I don't think he does that on "purpose" : he just doesn't realize how much his messages can get irritating.
My suggestion : now that it's clear to everyone, I will give him a last chance. Please do the necessary to remove all the warnings and the ban from him. But, at the very instant he gets into a new argument in a topic, this warrants a warning, and 3 warnings a ban. And if that happens, the ban should be on the forums only - not the site.
 




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November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
Mighty,

I lol'd

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
Path of the Demon

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
Eh whats the point? People will continue to argue no matter what. ._. Wow never knew BS would turn in to a riot pretty much. (By that i mean like an all out war/argument/Etc.):/:

November 22, 2010
Site Builder (Content), Site Builder (Co... Poland Female
Big Bad Mod
I can't see your point in comparing normal cats to sparkledogs. This was stupid. Cats are pet animals as well and someone in Nome may have a cat. Whatever people like sparkledogs or not, they're not following Balto realities, but go ahead if you don't want to make Balto realted site anymore.

You've lost an one more member dude.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
deviantArt, Flickr, sheezyart, redbubble, etc. etc. etc. This isn't an art forum or art sharing (or portfolio) site. That aspect is secondary to it being a site for fans of cartoon movies and series. That has always been its primary purpose. And it should remain so.

November 22, 2010
Switzerland Female
Anastasia Admin
Steet---> Well....alot of people come here to show off artwork, and chat...more so than tribute to the Balto fansite IMO. lol

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
ROFLMAO, RJ! That butthurt report form is hilarious! You have got to show that to Cat! lol

Guest
Guest
November 22, 2010
This is what you get with increased traffic, Steet. I frankly find it amusing when you ironically stated that the increase of visitors here was like the second coming of Christ.

Maybe SOME members of BS could do with this http://imagemacros.files.wordp [...] 09/09/butthurt_report_form.jpg






November 22, 2010
Webmaster France Male
AS leader
70 comments...You've got to be kidding me :o
Is THIS more important than all the things I have posted in the past? If yes, I'm REALLY worried about the reasons people come here.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
Amen, Jersey. Best of luck to you.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
O' Cap'n My Cap'n!
Thanks, RJ and Balto_the_WOlf_Dog! Your comments really have lifted my spirits! It got VERY ugly on here last night, and the repercussions are STILL going on. *SIGH* The important thing is that, in time, this will all settle out, and the site will move on. I just hope and pray that the prejudices, partial treatment, and unwarranted warnings and bannings which arise over misreads, misguided loyalties, or grudges don't continue here. It brings down Animation Source, and makes it a very unpleasant place to be.

You guys really said some very nice things, and I am grateful!

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
RJ, you are absalutly correct. That is some of the greatest ammount of truth ive seen in such a small space. Jersey Captain is by no means a flamer. A flamer, by definition, attacks posts without disgression, and backs their arguments with no reasoning, logic, facts, or history. JC not only selects his arguments, but he backs them with all four of those aspects. The claim that JC is a flamer is completely irronious. Personally, I barely know JC. I am defending him not because I feel obligated to do so, I am defending him because i belive the reason behind his ban was rediculous. I also salute Jersey for his tollerance.

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Guest
November 22, 2010
Since everyone is oblivious to this due to the sparkledog thing, I'll just address the second part of this 'news'.

Steet, do answer me this. Are we going to have a 'Banned Member of the Week' news broadcast? Does JC's so-called 'flaming' bother you so much that you just have to make it public knowledge that he is having issues with Togo? I mean, when a member has another issue with a member, it's dusted under the carpet with a warning and possible ban but when a member/moderator has a problem with an ADMISTRATOR, then public bashing is in order, isn't it? There is NOTHING in this broadcast you could not have put in a private message. Yes, you are the admin and owner of this site and I suppose you can do this: it doesn't mean I have to agree with it, but I guess that would get me a ban and a public broadcast on it, doesn't it?

For this people calling Jersey a 'flamer': LOOK AT HIS COMMENT TO THIS. He is calm and composed and is not calling Steet every name under the sun, which is what I would be doing if it were me. God, I dread to think what would happen if you came across REAL flamers on the Internet: I bet you'd be emotionally scarred.

Balto Source is what introduced me to social networking when I was 12. Now I'm 18 and can see that it's fallen in ruin. With all the 'let's make about 3 new sites per month' and now having to display banned members, I might as well go with a ban. I did tell Jersey that this site is NOT WORTH his talent and his wide knowledge but... Guess what? He wishes to share his knowledge with you and wishes to help Balto Source despite these stupid grudges against him and people branding him a 'troll'. Once again, I suggest you look up on REAL trolls before you start calling someone who is more intelligent than you one. Yes, Jersey may get a little ahead of himself but don't we all? He has strictly kept any problems he has had to PMs but, alas, this site has to do a Jonestown and point out the people who seem to have 'strayed away' in some way or another.

I've talked to Jersey for nearly a year (both on this site and off) and I've NEVER seen the 'flaming troll' side you claim he has. Wow, one member acts like a massive wimp over a subject they don't agree with and Jersey defends himself against being called a 'bigot' and he gets a ban? You know what: you members may scream 'blasphemy’ and ‘flamer’ but Steet's voiced his opinion and I am voicing mine against him, you all may want to differentiate between 'flames' and 'opinions'. Ban me; go ahead because I am done with this site. I salute Jersey for putting up with this crap.

Oh and don't bash Jersey for this. I am an adult and I did this on my own accord because I am his friend and I know Jersey is not the worst person in the world just because he does not have the full light of favour like Togo has. As a matter of fact, he is a very kind and caring person. Nice way to shoot yourselves in the foot.

Be warned, members of AS: it could very well be one of you next and then you'll see that Jersey was unfairly treated here.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
I must agree with Ahura. It is obvious to me that the majority dont like sparkledogs. This is afterall a Balto site, whether they are sorted out or not. Frankly, I could care less about sparkledogs, I never visit fanart anyway. My concern is far more geared towards how JC was treated. I think his being banned in the first place was outragous. Having a strong opinion is no excuse to ban on. Arguments are a fact of forums. No matter how like minded your members, if you give them a place to chat, there will be arguments, even if the site is about having fun. Its just the realitiy of it. As I stated before, I own a server, and of course there are plenty of people who disagree with me on topics, politics in preticular, but I wont get into that. Anyway, I would never ban anyone for disagreeing with me or for arguing with me or anyone else. It is simply not any reason for a ban.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
they shouldn't be allowed. your not creative by being generic.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
I understand the need to attract new members to a site in order to keep it relevent and pertaining to those who come here. But in all honesty Steet do we really need to go this far? Sparkle dogs are held in view by many members on this site to be a nuisance. Giving into the wants and needs of every child who believes that they can pick up a colored pencil and draw a chimera looking creature that looks like a rainbow and expect that it will be regarded as the next Mona Lisa or in this case the next Catwhohas14tails or Silver Deni is completely asinine. This site is about Balto and things within the Balto universe only. As I understand it this has always been the position held by you and the mods. I don't recall seeing any dogs with every color under the sun on them in any of the films thus far. Allowing these abhorent pieces of art anywhere on the website will make the artists responsible only targets of mockery and cause massive flame wars and another major headache for the moderating staff.
Keep the Baltosource about Balto and the story of Balto, anything that detracts from it, which these sparkle dogs do is a mistake. If these things need a home the DA is more than willing to post these monstrosities, keep them off the site since they have nothing to do with Balto. Encourage the development of these kids artistic skills to produce wonderful art like Deni's or Cat's instead of these rather moronic things. Just because alot of people like them does not mean that this view is held by everyone and as I far as I am aware those who enjoy looking at these things are in the minority.
Note: (If this offends anyone, I am sorry but too bad. I was never taught to sugar coat things, I prefer to tell it like it is.)

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
SBModOfBBS/WebRankerForBambiS
I think it works well on both sides.

Why?

Because: People on here who WANT sparkledogs and LIKE them finally get to re post them back on the site. They don't get harassed on by members and Mods that they have a 'sparkledog'.

For people who don't like sparkledogs, they don't have to see them. Like Steet said, there is going to be categories, and when you pick a category, it allows you not to see the other stuff.

I mean, come on, its right up there.

I love this idea. Everyones happy now..Hopefully.

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
The issue is they cause the entire site to digress from its topic, whether anyone likes them or not

November 22, 2010
Usa
to snow spirit if you would have noticed he said he would make it where you could choose not to have the sparkledogs visible to you if you dont like them.

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
Who knocks at the garden gate?
And thank you too Raptor. There SHOULD be a limit. Otherwise it'll be chaos!:o Just imagine...

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Guest
November 22, 2010
Oh just to top my statement off in "Animation" in general isn't almost anything possiable? now tht i read some others i agree with malwolsky. Not only is he trying to make every-one happy but their should be a limit to how far it goes, like really some random all powerful or random unicorn or something flying or ya u get the point is a little to far don't ya think?

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Mostly active on DeviantArt
WOOT! sparkledogs! i must agree, some sparkledogs are...scary, but most people don`t do that and put fairy wings and unicorn horns,etc., they just add a neclace or bandages or etc. on their char, with maybe a bit of rainbowish colors. and, people, please, if you`ve got this opinion like you HATE sparkledogs and want to barf everytime you see one, just keep ypour opinion to yourself. the sparkle dog lovers could be offended by that and this terrible war will break out. enough said

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Guest
November 22, 2010
>.> ok define a sparkle dog for me please. 1st off im really not on and if sparkle dog means like a "Completely" and utterly made up dog thing then i disagree but if its just like a blue dog then whts the big deal? Seriously. Maybe the dog got paint on it? Idk. Now if the dog has "Powers" (or pawrs LOL inside joke XD) so wht. It would be like sonic (a blue hedghog, and yes i have seen it once or twice big deal ._.) or some other movie Char. with super powers like what bolt though he had. Now since i don't exactly know what one is im not judging but i my-self think any type of animal should be allowed as long as its not like ultra powerful and undefeatable or some mumbo jumbo. lol in all idc. let people creat what they want, like really is it that big of a deal?(Also its my opinion so please don't start arguing with me ok? also sorry for my misspelling but im tired right now so ya....):) thx steete for putting this up n e way.

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Guest
November 22, 2010
I agree with you BlueThunderWolf!

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
Who knocks at the garden gate?
THANK YOU!:P

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
AS's own Petrova Doopelganger
Guys guys guys....*bangs head against wall* As Steet said, he is doing this for EVERYONE'S good. If you don't want to see a sparkledog, don't. If you do, than do. There are two sides in this battle, and if only one is chosen, there WILL be whiplash. Steet has only compromised this. Of course, no fairy-neon beaver dogs here, but we can stretch creativity. If you don't wanna see something, cover.your.eyes. Just forget it. Honestly, Steet is not being a pushover. He is not doing this for children's benefit. I have creative characters, and my fursona is a bonefied sparkledog (there, I said it; I won't put her up here cuz I'm evil like that. Hurrar.) but am I childish? No. Am I a child? No; for an adolesent I'm more mature. It's a matter of opinion. But can we only forget it? This is Steet here! Can we please show him respect for his decision? He CREATED this site. His site, his rules.

There's my opinion, no flame or harm intended. And I expect none in return.

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Guest
November 22, 2010
Well, thank you Steet for caring :) But I don't know if I'll be on BS as much now :( BS is about wolves, dogs, and wolf dogs (hmm, and mooses Lol) not about sparkle dogs! Ugh, I HATE THEM Well, now Anamation Source just...isn't gonna be the same :o :(

November 22, 2010
Usa Male
Aviators
I think thats pretty spot on Malwolsky, but thats why the backlash exists, to show the mistake. And yes, I belive banning for simple unusal collars etc is a bit extreme, but winged dogs with unicorn horns, yeah...

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
Who knocks at the garden gate?
It's easy to see that steet cares about ALL of us, according to his post. And I don't think he did this just to get some people off his back, or staring an all out battle against this post.
I think sparkle dogs, meaning dogs with unusual collars/necklaces/earrings etc., should be characters on this site. But the rainbowy dog with a unicorn horn that flies over a cloud fortress (first thing I thought of)...isn't that going too far? Remember BALTO Source. Just my opinion.
But you can tell steet is doing his best and trying to make everyone happy. He wants a fan site for people to see what they want to see, and that's exactly what he's doing right now. Steet is a person, like all of us. And he's allowed to make mistakes. (and I'm NOT saying whether he's making a mistake or not, because that is his job to decide that) Thank you to those who read this.

November 22, 2010
Usa Female
Senior Mod
*rolls eyes* good lord, if we're allowing those horrid sparkle characters, might as well get rid of having characters needing a relation to the balto universe too, because no matter now much detail you put into it, pink dogs or wolves with wings and powers woulD NEVER be found in the world.

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